Why the nurses get no respect... - page 6
Hello, everyone. I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to... Read More
Jun 21, '03HellllloNurse,
I am sure that you are valid in your feelings but the care that you give and the difference that you make everyday is far more validating than some troll who comes on here and tries to upset and inflame people and force them to defend the career choice that they have made. If indeed, Tony is in management in the first place! Nurses know who they are and why they are here and why they choose to continue to get up everyday and try again to make every minute count.
Hugs to you!
Jun 21, '03Gator,
Thank you. I know I shouldn't have let those posts get to me. It is sooooooo hard to keep up the struggle of trying to provide the best care I can day after day. Nursing is so hard, so misunderstood.....
Sometimes I feel I am on the verge of throwing in the towel.
Reading your post helped.
Jun 21, '03Wow, Dave, you sure opened up a can of worms. Until you have walked in, you have no room to judge. The nurses I work with are very smart. I have dealt with as many sloppy, and downright ignorant doctors as I have nurses. It has nothing to do with the profession. I think, and this is just my opinion, that nurses sometimes work hard than doctors. Our nurses visit each patient for 1-2 hours a visit, 2-3 x a week. We have to use our judgement to make independent decisions. I know many doctor's offices in our area that are only open 9-430, and some of these doctors do not carry pagers after hours. There are other doctors in our area who work their butts off.
As for doctors not respecting us, I beg to differ. I can't tell you how many times a physician will ask for our opinion when it comes to pain meds and adjucvant (sp?)meds to help with pain. In fact, most of the doctors have signed standing orders because they trust our judgement to decide if they are appropriate for the patient.
Sorry Dave, but sounds to me like you are the one whining.Last edit by nursechris1 on Jun 21, '03
Jun 21, '03To both Dave and Tony
I suppose you would consider me to be one of the "sarcastic" and "attacking" but in truth I was defending my profession. We are allowed to do so.
The issue of nurses complaining ineffectually is, in part, correct. It is a worldwide phenomena reflecting the percieved helplessness of the those in the profession. Instead of increasing the problem why do you not attempt to do as I have here - support your colleagues and discuss ways with them of effectiviely dealing with management problems. Since I became active on this board some few months ago I would have responded to at least 15 posts where the member was being bullied at work. I have offered public and private support for those members.
I have tried through example to show how isssues can be analysed and re- worded to remove emotional loading so that effective and valuable communication can be carried out.
Not everyone on this board needs the lesson though. Most nurses here are erudite, intelligent people who are dealing with living a difficult profession.
Tony - You named two specific instances where a nurses choice of attire/body decoration was less than ideal. You then professed amazement that any nurse would not realise that this sort of thing was inappropriate. In the days of hospital training ( and yes I was a nurse educator then) during the era of the white uniform we had nurses turn up for work in inappropriate clothing / body decoration. They soon learnt it was not acceptable not only because of the management response but because of the "hidden curriculum" AKA peer pressure AKA hospital culture.
Some people absorb the hidden curriculum as they walk through the gate - others have to be told. Many, many of these "inappropriate" nurses learnt form thier mistakes and went on to become the best nurses in the industry.
May I re-iterate. Complaining about nurses complaining does not solve the problem. Empowering nurses so that they can act effectiviely for themselves will solve the problem. Where to start empowering those who feel helpless - right here in an international bulletin board.
Jun 21, '03quote:
For the person who says wearing a clean white uniform makes a nurse look like a bimbo, well... I guess only so much can be said for cleanliness and self respect. Evidently, these qualities mean different things to different people . . unquote from dave
Guess I'd better clear up your misunderstanding of my little off the cuff comment. I didn't mean that "a clean white uniform" makes a nurse look like a bimbo . . .I meant that seeing those old photos or tv shows with the nurses in white dresses and little caps and white tights and white shoes and perfectly coiffed hair plays into the stereotype of nurse as bimbo or airhead and I guess THAT is unfortunate. But look at the portrayal of nurses in pornography or in those cheesy shampoo commercials or even "Trapper John, MD" reruns . . . . what do you think of? Unfortunately the image of a nurse in a short little white dress uniform IS the stereotype of an airhead. Not fair maybe but true. Draw a cartoon of a ditzy nurse . . she would be in whites, right?
This is a silly part of your argument . . . professionalism has nothing to do with wearing a nurse's cap.
And I'm all for clean uniforms.
Jun 21, '03Steph - I understood your original post perfectly well. I believe that at least some of the remarks on this thread have been deliberately inflammatory to try and "get a rise" out of nurses. It has and I am not ashamed for defending my chosen profession.
Sometimes comments like these do us a favour by reaffirming our own pride and belief.
Jun 21, '03Yessirree, you are so right Gwenith. Thanks.
I've just read the thread regarding "The View" and Meredith Viera's portrayal of a nurse . . . . lots of comments about stereotypes of nurses that sorta play into this discussion.
Wow, this board is hopping . . ..
Jun 21, '03I believe that nurses are not respected because they do not individually and collectively demand respect from those taking advantage of them in the workplace. Many nurses may not speak up in their workplace due to fearing loss of employment, fearing being ostracized by those they work with (and work for) if they assert themselves by demanding respect (the least we can expect with the low wages we are paid), and/or some nurses may not be very good at handling conflict, or being assertive.
We are individual human beings first and foremost who must survive in many different roles in our lives: adult, spouse, parent, employee, etc.
We bring to our work environment the very way we handle conflict and tough situations away from our work environment.
If one is soft-spoken in their private life, they are more than likely soft-spoken at work. If one tends to avoid conflicting situations in their personal life, they very well may repeat that behavior in the professional environment in which they work. If one is outspoken and assertive, they may very well be that way in the work setting. We must look at ourselves separate from being nurses in order to figure out why we act or react to the daily stressors placed upon us in our work environment. Perhaps once we come to terms with ourselves in this way, just maybe we will find a way to enact necessary changes in the place where we work.
For example: I have always been an outspoken person in childhood, during my teenage years, and as an adult. That part of my nature is the very thread of my character...who I am. I go everywhere with me, therefore when I am at work, my character can't help but be displayed.
Interesting, eh?Last edit by live4today on Jun 21, '03
Jun 21, '03Originally posted by sbic56
Anyone else smell that?
Jun 21, '03haven't posted for awhile but I want to comment on this, I am not a nurse yet but as someone who has worked as a CNA and in RT I worked with many nurses and 99% of them I had utmost respect for their devotion and skill but there was always one who was terrible no skills with patients or with with their profession these are the ones who the Doctors and people remember. They don't see the nurses that work over without pay who call families or take extra time to talk with a scared patient time that means no break or maybe lunch for that nurse on her 12 or 16 hour shift. You all know what else you have done or done yourselves that goes beyond your job description. I am very proud that I am going to become a nurse, it has been a dream for years and I know all the bad things but I feel with most nursing is a calling (flame me but this is what I truly feel) and I think that it is the only reason most stay in this.
Well one more thing on my tirade here, I do think that since people SEE before they really know what someone does I feel you should alway have a neat appearance, I know that you can't stay clean but faded, dingy and sloppy is not acceptable and you see that alot at most hospitals atlethic shoes are fine but they should be clean. I also think that we should stick togather, no not the ones who do wrong but unity is STRONG and from what I have seen and read and hear about the only way nursing is going to get the pay, respect they deserve is to UNITE (GREW UP IN A UNION HOUSEHOLD) and support each other
Thank you all for your insight it is truly helpful to a future student
Jun 21, '03I have read all the posts in this lengthy
thread. Everything that needed to be said has been said.
You have all been pretty tough on daveFL, a well deserved toughness, but can you hear yourselves? The sarcasm, the contempt and in the case of jt's "maid's caps" insulting to all the past nurses, good, dedicated people who wore white and were proud to do so.
The maid's cap perched on the top of the head evolved from total covering of the hair, a neccesary precaution at that time for cleanliness and safety. Originally all caps were a little different depending upon where one trained. There is a great history here if you bother to find out.
Useless and out of place in this modern age. I agree one hundred percent, but please let us all have some respect for the traditions of nursing. How else can we respect ourselves?
Jun 22, '03Huq, I appreciate your post and I don't think that anyone who responded here about the white caps meant to put down those who once wore them with pride. As a matter of fact their have been threads on here and posts from people who purchased the cap after graduation as a momento of their accomplishment, just because it is tradition.
The irritation here on this thread comes from being told that not wearing the cap or "starched whites" somehow diminishes a nurses standing and level of respect and transforms them into "slobs"
Passionate feelings about nursing are not lacking here and I assure you if someone starts a thread about how stupid the tradition of nursing caps is or how anyone that ever wore one is lacking in nursing, the flames will come swift and sure.
Some nurses here and some students do not feel that we need a cap or white uniform to respect ourselves, (I am one of them) I think that it is "old fashioned" but I still remember thinking when I was 4 years old and my mom got ready for work that she was an angel.
Peace to you!
Jun 22, '03Speaking as someone who has two and used to wear hers (and graduated in 1993).
Caps have a tendence to get dirty very rapidly and are a royal pain to starch back into proper shape after washing. I just know that the poster would have some unkind words if it were the least bit off kilter (Hmm, she just doesn't care to do it right).
Let the poster trying wearing one as a nurse for about 4 - 12s in a row, for several weeks and try to maintain one and then let him speak.