Why the nurses get no respect...

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Hello, everyone.

I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to comment, whether you agree with me or not.

I'm working on a BSN degree, which I expect to complete by summer '04. After that I intend to work as an RN for a year and then apply to grad school to do the CRNA program. Yes, I'm one of 'those' people who went ahead and did a nursing degree despite all the MANY negative things I heard about nursing as a career. BUT... I've been working as a volunteer in a local hospital, and from what I have observed, it IS true that physicians and NPs look down on nurses. But, it is also true that a lot of what has happened to the nursing profession is due to the attitudes and behavior of some of the nurses themselves.

First of all, I can tell from talking to some of the nurses at my hospital that they barely made it through nursing school and probably passed the NCLEX by less than a hair. Even as a student, I am shocked at some of the things I've seen some RNs do and at some of the questions they ask...stuff that any first year nursing student should know. If even I, as a nursing student, can observe these things, then surely the doctors also do. And, this is one of the reasons some of them think most nurses are idiots and little more than patient care techs. I've only been a volunteer in this hospital for 6 months and already I can tell the good nurses from the bad ones.

Another thing I've observed is that many nurses complain, complain, complain...about everything and wherever they can find an audience. They complain about the pay, the patients, the doctors, the administration...you name it. I've always wondered why these people got into the profession in the first place. They always use the same cliches...Plumbers make more, landscapers make more, etc. Anyone who really loves nursing will agree that it takes a lot more to be a nurse than it does to be a plumber or a gardener. For one thing, to be a good nurse you have to care more about helping people than about making a buck. In fact, to be really good at any profession you have to care more about your competence and reputation than about making a lot of money. I think a lot of nurses don't understand this.

I've seen some nurses who're so miserable when they come on the floor most times that I wonder why they bother. I've always believed that if you don't like what you're doing then you should find another way to make a living and stop creating more stress for yourself. I'm not yet an RN, and obviously as a volunteer I'm not making ANY money from helping take care of people in the hospital, but its experience that I'll need later and I don't get stressed out by it because I actually like helping people.

Also, some nurses don't take themselves seriously but they expect doctors to respect them anyway. In the old days, nurses used to wear immaculate white uniforms that were ironed, and they also wore clean white shoes. They wore conservative and neatly groomed hair, short cut nails, and they were spotless all around. Nurses were in very much the same supporting role back then but doctors did not look down on them the way they do now. Everyone used to look up to that spotless white uniform as a symbol of health and authority, and nursing used to be one of the most highly respected careers.

But look at what's happened. SCRUBS!!! In the ugliest and most shocking colors and prints, and with a pair of smelly, dirty sneakers to match. Not to mention the outrageous hairstyles and the long, acrylic fingernails to match. Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton scrubs. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional? And we're wondering why people don't see nurses as professionals!!! Yes, appearance matters, and to prove it, put a lab coat on any nurse and throw a stethescope around his or her neck and see whether most patients won't assume that she/he is a doctor.

Then there's attitude. I've seen nurses who flat out refuse to go back to school to learn new stuff, always holding on tight only to what they know. They resist change and complain when they have to learn new technology that comes into the hospital. Some of them love to stand around backstabbing each other and gossipping, and they say the nastiest things about other nurses who take their work seriously.

I encourage anyone who's thinking about going into nursing to volunteer a few hours each week in a hospital and watch how the RNs and the LPNs do their stuff, just to get an idea of what to expect from the career. If after doing that you still feel like giving nursing a try, then just do it and stop paying attention to other people who say negative things about nursing. Every career has stress, and very few people you ask (no matter what profession they're in) will ever say they make "enough" money. I don't think nurses will ever be paid "enough" money for what they do, but one thing I've learned is that nursing is absolutely the wrong career choice if you're doing it just for the money.

I think nursing can once again become a respected profession when some of us in the field start to respect ourselves and each other a lot more than we do now.

Specializes in Community Health Nurse.

I believe that nurses are not respected because they do not individually and collectively demand respect from those taking advantage of them in the workplace. Many nurses may not speak up in their workplace due to fearing loss of employment, fearing being ostracized by those they work with (and work for) if they assert themselves by demanding respect (the least we can expect with the low wages we are paid), and/or some nurses may not be very good at handling conflict, or being assertive.

We are individual human beings first and foremost who must survive in many different roles in our lives: adult, spouse, parent, employee, etc.

We bring to our work environment the very way we handle conflict and tough situations away from our work environment.

If one is soft-spoken in their private life, they are more than likely soft-spoken at work. If one tends to avoid conflicting situations in their personal life, they very well may repeat that behavior in the professional environment in which they work. If one is outspoken and assertive, they may very well be that way in the work setting. We must look at ourselves separate from being nurses in order to figure out why we act or react to the daily stressors placed upon us in our work environment. Perhaps once we come to terms with ourselves in this way, just maybe we will find a way to enact necessary changes in the place where we work.

For example: I have always been an outspoken person in childhood, during my teenage years, and as an adult. That part of my nature is the very thread of my character...who I am. I go everywhere with me, therefore when I am at work, my character can't help but be displayed.

Interesting, eh? :nurse:

Originally posted by sbic56

Anyone else smell that?

Ditto! There seems to be other (first) posts from posters saying the same crap & on that other thread as well (the strike thread)....I think it is done to get a rise out of us. I smell a rat.

:uhoh21:

haven't posted for awhile but I want to comment on this, I am not a nurse yet but as someone who has worked as a CNA and in RT I worked with many nurses and 99% of them I had utmost respect for their devotion and skill but there was always one who was terrible no skills with patients or with with their profession these are the ones who the Doctors and people remember. They don't see the nurses that work over without pay who call families or take extra time to talk with a scared patient time that means no break or maybe lunch for that nurse on her 12 or 16 hour shift. You all know what else you have done or done yourselves that goes beyond your job description. I am very proud that I am going to become a nurse, it has been a dream for years and I know all the bad things but I feel with most nursing is a calling (flame me but this is what I truly feel) and I think that it is the only reason most stay in this.

Well one more thing on my tirade here, I do think that since people SEE before they really know what someone does I feel you should alway have a neat appearance, I know that you can't stay clean but faded, dingy and sloppy is not acceptable and you see that alot at most hospitals atlethic shoes are fine but they should be clean. I also think that we should stick togather, no not the ones who do wrong but unity is STRONG and from what I have seen and read and hear about the only way nursing is going to get the pay, respect they deserve is to UNITE (GREW UP IN A UNION HOUSEHOLD) and support each other

Thank you all for your insight it is truly helpful to a future student

Rhonda

I have read all the posts in this lengthy

thread. Everything that needed to be said has been said.

You have all been pretty tough on daveFL, a well deserved toughness, but can you hear yourselves? The sarcasm, the contempt and in the case of jt's "maid's caps" insulting to all the past nurses, good, dedicated people who wore white and were proud to do so.

The maid's cap perched on the top of the head evolved from total covering of the hair, a neccesary precaution at that time for cleanliness and safety. Originally all caps were a little different depending upon where one trained. There is a great history here if you bother to find out.

Useless and out of place in this modern age. I agree one hundred percent, but please let us all have some respect for the traditions of nursing. How else can we respect ourselves?

Huq, I appreciate your post and I don't think that anyone who responded here about the white caps meant to put down those who once wore them with pride. As a matter of fact their have been threads on here and posts from people who purchased the cap after graduation as a momento of their accomplishment, just because it is tradition.

The irritation here on this thread comes from being told that not wearing the cap or "starched whites" somehow diminishes a nurses standing and level of respect and transforms them into "slobs"

Passionate feelings about nursing are not lacking here and I assure you if someone starts a thread about how stupid the tradition of nursing caps is or how anyone that ever wore one is lacking in nursing, the flames will come swift and sure.

Some nurses here and some students do not feel that we need a cap or white uniform to respect ourselves, (I am one of them) I think that it is "old fashioned" but I still remember thinking when I was 4 years old and my mom got ready for work that she was an angel.

Peace to you!

Gator

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.

Speaking as someone who has two and used to wear hers (and graduated in 1993).

Caps have a tendence to get dirty very rapidly and are a royal pain to starch back into proper shape after washing. I just know that the poster would have some unkind words if it were the least bit off kilter (Hmm, she just doesn't care to do it right).

Let the poster trying wearing one as a nurse for about 4 - 12s in a row, for several weeks and try to maintain one and then let him speak.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Originally posted by Gator,SN

HellllloNurse,

I am sure that you are valid in your feelings but the care that you give and the difference that you make everyday is far more validating than some troll who comes on here and tries to upset and inflame people and force them to defend the career choice that they have made. If indeed, Tony is in management in the first place! Nurses know who they are and why they are here and why they choose to continue to get up everyday and try again to make every minute count.

Hugs to you!

Gator

What an awesome post! I know it wasn't directed to me, but after the weeks I've had, I needed that.

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.

It's kind of ironic that this troll in his attempt to infuriate and insult the nurses here has in fact managed to get us to band together and defend the profession, that despite all the complaints, we readily stand up for. It can be likened to how a parent may speak negatively of thier own child at sometime or another, but heaven help the outsider who does the same!

Moral being:

Go away trolls, you can't win here!!

I see a few like the OP in my ICU every year. They breeze in, loftily announce we are only a pitstop on the way to CRNA school (then they pause for applause). They expect to do a brain drain on skilled, dedicated, experienced nurses, then move onward and upward, as they are obviously superior to the rest of us peons. ;)

These types get taken down a few pegs and rightfully so, IMHO. Here as well as in real life...:)

Specializes in cardiac, diabetes, OB/GYN.

Well, alrighty then, I do feel that is a bit biased in the wrong direction, but you brought up some interesting, albeit way too general points...Little ironic twist there and, from my point of view, largely incorrect...But hey, you are entitled to your viewpoint..Would hate to be working where you must be working or volunteering....What you described as far as attitude, appearance, etc. has by far been the minority vs the majority in my 23 plus year career but hey, thanks for sharing....

Specializes in cardiac, diabetes, OB/GYN.

I meant that I would hate to encounter what you describe...Did not at all mean that I would hate working with you..But then, just arrived home from the old night shift.....:)

Specializes in ICU, ED, Med-Surg, Progressive Care.

The original post was quite informative for me. It kind of gave me an outsiders view of what many of us are all too used to.

A couple of points should be reiterated:

1) many nurses don't think of themselves as nor act as professionals.

2) many nurses aren't worried about keeping up-to-date or maintaining their professional knowledge.

Fortunately, these things can be easily corrected. But, it is necessary that our management insists on it and that the nurses follow through.

BTW, I have no trouble getting respect from physicians, NPs, PAs, etc. It wasn't always this way. I learned early in my career that if I want them to respect me, I had better know what I was talking about. Experience does not replace knowledge!

Just my 2 cents.

David Woodruff, MSN, RN, CNS, CCRN

Ed4Nurses, Inc.

Nursing Continuing Education

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