Why the nurses get no respect...

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Hello, everyone.

I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to comment, whether you agree with me or not.

I'm working on a BSN degree, which I expect to complete by summer '04. After that I intend to work as an RN for a year and then apply to grad school to do the CRNA program. Yes, I'm one of 'those' people who went ahead and did a nursing degree despite all the MANY negative things I heard about nursing as a career. BUT... I've been working as a volunteer in a local hospital, and from what I have observed, it IS true that physicians and NPs look down on nurses. But, it is also true that a lot of what has happened to the nursing profession is due to the attitudes and behavior of some of the nurses themselves.

First of all, I can tell from talking to some of the nurses at my hospital that they barely made it through nursing school and probably passed the NCLEX by less than a hair. Even as a student, I am shocked at some of the things I've seen some RNs do and at some of the questions they ask...stuff that any first year nursing student should know. If even I, as a nursing student, can observe these things, then surely the doctors also do. And, this is one of the reasons some of them think most nurses are idiots and little more than patient care techs. I've only been a volunteer in this hospital for 6 months and already I can tell the good nurses from the bad ones.

Another thing I've observed is that many nurses complain, complain, complain...about everything and wherever they can find an audience. They complain about the pay, the patients, the doctors, the administration...you name it. I've always wondered why these people got into the profession in the first place. They always use the same cliches...Plumbers make more, landscapers make more, etc. Anyone who really loves nursing will agree that it takes a lot more to be a nurse than it does to be a plumber or a gardener. For one thing, to be a good nurse you have to care more about helping people than about making a buck. In fact, to be really good at any profession you have to care more about your competence and reputation than about making a lot of money. I think a lot of nurses don't understand this.

I've seen some nurses who're so miserable when they come on the floor most times that I wonder why they bother. I've always believed that if you don't like what you're doing then you should find another way to make a living and stop creating more stress for yourself. I'm not yet an RN, and obviously as a volunteer I'm not making ANY money from helping take care of people in the hospital, but its experience that I'll need later and I don't get stressed out by it because I actually like helping people.

Also, some nurses don't take themselves seriously but they expect doctors to respect them anyway. In the old days, nurses used to wear immaculate white uniforms that were ironed, and they also wore clean white shoes. They wore conservative and neatly groomed hair, short cut nails, and they were spotless all around. Nurses were in very much the same supporting role back then but doctors did not look down on them the way they do now. Everyone used to look up to that spotless white uniform as a symbol of health and authority, and nursing used to be one of the most highly respected careers.

But look at what's happened. SCRUBS!!! In the ugliest and most shocking colors and prints, and with a pair of smelly, dirty sneakers to match. Not to mention the outrageous hairstyles and the long, acrylic fingernails to match. Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton scrubs. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional? And we're wondering why people don't see nurses as professionals!!! Yes, appearance matters, and to prove it, put a lab coat on any nurse and throw a stethescope around his or her neck and see whether most patients won't assume that she/he is a doctor.

Then there's attitude. I've seen nurses who flat out refuse to go back to school to learn new stuff, always holding on tight only to what they know. They resist change and complain when they have to learn new technology that comes into the hospital. Some of them love to stand around backstabbing each other and gossipping, and they say the nastiest things about other nurses who take their work seriously.

I encourage anyone who's thinking about going into nursing to volunteer a few hours each week in a hospital and watch how the RNs and the LPNs do their stuff, just to get an idea of what to expect from the career. If after doing that you still feel like giving nursing a try, then just do it and stop paying attention to other people who say negative things about nursing. Every career has stress, and very few people you ask (no matter what profession they're in) will ever say they make "enough" money. I don't think nurses will ever be paid "enough" money for what they do, but one thing I've learned is that nursing is absolutely the wrong career choice if you're doing it just for the money.

I think nursing can once again become a respected profession when some of us in the field start to respect ourselves and each other a lot more than we do now.

Actually, I'm still logged on, and reviewing the rest of this website because I'm a new member on here. This website has some good information in the articles section, but I think I made a mistake to join this forum because some people here seem to post only attacks against other people rather that ideas that inspire or encourage others.

I wish you all the best. This type of petty "back-biting" just isn't my bag og tea.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Geriatrics.
Originally posted by Tony35NYC

Here's an idea: if you don't like nursing, why not leave?

Pssst....hey Tony, didn't you hear? Many of us are already taking your advice! Aren't you a little out of touch?

This is perhaps THE biggest problem with the nursing profession: the way we are quick to ***** about everything, point fingers and other people, and stab one another in the back.

Oh the irony of this statement coming from you! LOL,:chuckle

Tony, I HIGHLY doubt that ANY of your crapulous post is true or valid, and can only thank my lucky stars that you are not a nurse manager in the hospital where I work.

I wish you all the best. This type of petty "back-biting" just isn't my bag og tea.

Funny, Tony, thats not what your post sounds like to me.

Gator

Originally posted by Tony35NYC

I no longer put my reputation and credibility on the line for nurses who obviously don't care very much about the profession,.

But will you put your reputation and credibility on the line for nurses who very much do care about the profession?

Bad employees in any area of employment are the responsibility of mgmt. If any employee is disruptive or inappropriate, get rid of them. That's your job.

And....why do you think so many nurses are burnt-out?

Bad employees bring down the morale of everyone and compromise quality of care. Not that anyone in a mgmt position really gives a crap about that.

Sure, they pay a lot of lip service to it. But, watch them do a 180 in a hurry if a nurse really sticks her neck out and speaks up for a pt not getting the care and tx they need.

I for one, am exhausted and beaten down by struggling to provide the best care I can in the face of all the obstacles mgmt has put in my (our) way.

It's in reading posts such as the original in this thread and by the nurse "manager" here that make me feel like giving up.

"99.9% of doctors will cover for and defend one another to the very end, no matter how big they screw up"

And this is supposed to be ok? Nurses are supposed to turn a blind eye to an incompetent or impaired colleague, no matter who they harm or kill?

HellllloNurse,

I am sure that you are valid in your feelings but the care that you give and the difference that you make everyday is far more validating than some troll who comes on here and tries to upset and inflame people and force them to defend the career choice that they have made. If indeed, Tony is in management in the first place! Nurses know who they are and why they are here and why they choose to continue to get up everyday and try again to make every minute count.

Hugs to you!

Gator

Gator,

Thank you. I know I shouldn't have let those posts get to me. It is sooooooo hard to keep up the struggle of trying to provide the best care I can day after day. Nursing is so hard, so misunderstood.....

Sometimes I feel I am on the verge of throwing in the towel.

Reading your post helped.

Thanks again.:kiss

Wow, Dave, you sure opened up a can of worms. Until you have walked in nursing shoes, you have no room to judge. The nurses I work with are very smart. I have dealt with as many sloppy, and downright ignorant doctors as I have nurses. It has nothing to do with the profession. I think, and this is just my opinion, that nurses sometimes work hard than doctors. Our nurses visit each patient for 1-2 hours a visit, 2-3 x a week. We have to use our judgement to make independent decisions. I know many doctor's offices in our area that are only open 9-430, and some of these doctors do not carry pagers after hours. There are other doctors in our area who work their butts off.

As for doctors not respecting us, I beg to differ. I can't tell you how many times a physician will ask for our opinion when it comes to pain meds and adjucvant (sp?)meds to help with pain. In fact, most of the doctors have signed standing orders because they trust our judgement to decide if they are appropriate for the patient.

Sorry Dave, but sounds to me like you are the one whining.

Specializes in ICU.

To both Dave and Tony

I suppose you would consider me to be one of the "sarcastic" and "attacking" but in truth I was defending my profession. We are allowed to do so.

The issue of nurses complaining ineffectually is, in part, correct. It is a worldwide phenomena reflecting the percieved helplessness of the those in the profession. Instead of increasing the problem why do you not attempt to do as I have here - support your colleagues and discuss ways with them of effectiviely dealing with management problems. Since I became active on this board some few months ago I would have responded to at least 15 posts where the member was being bullied at work. I have offered public and private support for those members.

I have tried through example to show how isssues can be analysed and re- worded to remove emotional loading so that effective and valuable communication can be carried out.

Not everyone on this board needs the lesson though. Most nurses here are erudite, intelligent people who are dealing with living a difficult profession.

Tony - You named two specific instances where a nurses choice of attire/body decoration was less than ideal. You then professed amazement that any nurse would not realise that this sort of thing was inappropriate. In the days of hospital training ( and yes I was a nurse educator then) during the era of the white uniform we had nurses turn up for work in inappropriate clothing / body decoration. They soon learnt it was not acceptable not only because of the management response but because of the "hidden curriculum" AKA peer pressure AKA hospital culture.

Some people absorb the hidden curriculum as they walk through the gate - others have to be told. Many, many of these "inappropriate" nurses learnt form thier mistakes and went on to become the best nurses in the industry.

May I re-iterate. Complaining about nurses complaining does not solve the problem. Empowering nurses so that they can act effectiviely for themselves will solve the problem. Where to start empowering those who feel helpless - right here in an international bulletin board.

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For the person who says wearing a clean white uniform makes a nurse look like a bimbo, well... I guess only so much can be said for cleanliness and self respect. Evidently, these qualities mean different things to different people . . unquote from dave

Guess I'd better clear up your misunderstanding of my little off the cuff comment. I didn't mean that "a clean white uniform" makes a nurse look like a bimbo . . .I meant that seeing those old photos or tv shows with the nurses in white dresses and little caps and white tights and white shoes and perfectly coiffed hair plays into the stereotype of nurse as bimbo or airhead and I guess THAT is unfortunate. But look at the portrayal of nurses in Mediaography or in those cheesy shampoo commercials or even "Trapper John, MD" reruns . . . . what do you think of? Unfortunately the image of a nurse in a short little white dress uniform IS the stereotype of an airhead. Not fair maybe but true. Draw a cartoon of a ditzy nurse . . she would be in whites, right?

This is a silly part of your argument . . . professionalism has nothing to do with wearing a nurse's cap.

And I'm all for clean uniforms. :D

steph

Specializes in ICU.

Steph - I understood your original post perfectly well. I believe that at least some of the remarks on this thread have been deliberately inflammatory to try and "get a rise" out of nurses. It has and I am not ashamed for defending my chosen profession.

Sometimes comments like these do us a favour by reaffirming our own pride and belief.

Yessirree, you are so right Gwenith. Thanks.

I've just read the thread regarding "The View" and Meredith Viera's portrayal of a nurse . . . . lots of comments about stereotypes of nurses that sorta play into this discussion.

Wow, this board is hopping . . ..

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