Why the nurses get no respect...

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Hello, everyone.

I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to comment, whether you agree with me or not.

I'm working on a BSN degree, which I expect to complete by summer '04. After that I intend to work as an RN for a year and then apply to grad school to do the CRNA program. Yes, I'm one of 'those' people who went ahead and did a nursing degree despite all the MANY negative things I heard about nursing as a career. BUT... I've been working as a volunteer in a local hospital, and from what I have observed, it IS true that physicians and NPs look down on nurses. But, it is also true that a lot of what has happened to the nursing profession is due to the attitudes and behavior of some of the nurses themselves.

First of all, I can tell from talking to some of the nurses at my hospital that they barely made it through nursing school and probably passed the NCLEX by less than a hair. Even as a student, I am shocked at some of the things I've seen some RNs do and at some of the questions they ask...stuff that any first year nursing student should know. If even I, as a nursing student, can observe these things, then surely the doctors also do. And, this is one of the reasons some of them think most nurses are idiots and little more than patient care techs. I've only been a volunteer in this hospital for 6 months and already I can tell the good nurses from the bad ones.

Another thing I've observed is that many nurses complain, complain, complain...about everything and wherever they can find an audience. They complain about the pay, the patients, the doctors, the administration...you name it. I've always wondered why these people got into the profession in the first place. They always use the same cliches...Plumbers make more, landscapers make more, etc. Anyone who really loves nursing will agree that it takes a lot more to be a nurse than it does to be a plumber or a gardener. For one thing, to be a good nurse you have to care more about helping people than about making a buck. In fact, to be really good at any profession you have to care more about your competence and reputation than about making a lot of money. I think a lot of nurses don't understand this.

I've seen some nurses who're so miserable when they come on the floor most times that I wonder why they bother. I've always believed that if you don't like what you're doing then you should find another way to make a living and stop creating more stress for yourself. I'm not yet an RN, and obviously as a volunteer I'm not making ANY money from helping take care of people in the hospital, but its experience that I'll need later and I don't get stressed out by it because I actually like helping people.

Also, some nurses don't take themselves seriously but they expect doctors to respect them anyway. In the old days, nurses used to wear immaculate white uniforms that were ironed, and they also wore clean white shoes. They wore conservative and neatly groomed hair, short cut nails, and they were spotless all around. Nurses were in very much the same supporting role back then but doctors did not look down on them the way they do now. Everyone used to look up to that spotless white uniform as a symbol of health and authority, and nursing used to be one of the most highly respected careers.

But look at what's happened. SCRUBS!!! In the ugliest and most shocking colors and prints, and with a pair of smelly, dirty sneakers to match. Not to mention the outrageous hairstyles and the long, acrylic fingernails to match. Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton scrubs. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional? And we're wondering why people don't see nurses as professionals!!! Yes, appearance matters, and to prove it, put a lab coat on any nurse and throw a stethescope around his or her neck and see whether most patients won't assume that she/he is a doctor.

Then there's attitude. I've seen nurses who flat out refuse to go back to school to learn new stuff, always holding on tight only to what they know. They resist change and complain when they have to learn new technology that comes into the hospital. Some of them love to stand around backstabbing each other and gossipping, and they say the nastiest things about other nurses who take their work seriously.

I encourage anyone who's thinking about going into nursing to volunteer a few hours each week in a hospital and watch how the RNs and the LPNs do their stuff, just to get an idea of what to expect from the career. If after doing that you still feel like giving nursing a try, then just do it and stop paying attention to other people who say negative things about nursing. Every career has stress, and very few people you ask (no matter what profession they're in) will ever say they make "enough" money. I don't think nurses will ever be paid "enough" money for what they do, but one thing I've learned is that nursing is absolutely the wrong career choice if you're doing it just for the money.

I think nursing can once again become a respected profession when some of us in the field start to respect ourselves and each other a lot more than we do now.

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.
I wore a little white dress and a little white cap and little white stockings and little white shoes through nursing school and I felt like a jackass.

That really struck me funny. :chuckle I think it is an initiation type thing; I agree it is downright embarrassing .:imbar

Originally posted by UntamedSpirit

*a deep, proper curtsie to Gwenith and Sim*

I would strongly reccommend that you rethink your opinion, Sir....take your shovel and start filling in the deep fox hole that you have dug for your self so quickly in such a short time on the front lines of a war that you have not even been enlisted to fight. You would do better to go into this profession with an open mind, heart and soul....keep your eyes and ears open and your biased, hostile opinions to your self. You might be surprised at how much you will learn and what great friends and co-workers you will make in the process.

Excellent post!

Dave will find out for himself...the HARD way!

Maybe he'll do what so many other nurses do, who find that the reality of the pt acuity, work-loads and working conditions are too much for them...go into managment.

Dave:

What is most distressing is that there seemed to be no concern for the patients.

Why does a hosptal exist? Why are patients admitted to a hospital?

NURSING CARE!

Nothing else. All else is available at a hotel and as an outpatient.

Who is with the patient when the doctor is not?

Who assesses, plans nursing care, intervenes (whether to save a life or for comfort), re evaluates the effectiveness of the interventions, advocates for the best interests of the patient, and coordinates the care?

Who prevents 86% of medication errors made by pharmacy or the physician?

The patient advocate is the NURSE!

Specializes in Hemodialysis, Home Health.
Originally posted by TerraRN

I wore a little white dress and a little white cap and little white stockings and little white shoes through nursing school and I felt like a jackass.

:rotfl: HAAAAAAAAR !!!! Yep, I did too... while in the USAF as a medic, but at least the medics didn't have to wear the cap !

But a blue beret once we left the hosp. grounds. And OUR whites WERE starched ! Very MUCH so ! So as soon as you sat down, everyone KNEW it, 'cuz the wrinkles were a dead give-away ! Guess maybe that was the idea... keep moving! No sitting ! :roll

Guess things haven't changed much in thirty years... :rolleyes:

Thank you Spacenurse!

Specializes in Step down, ICU, ER, PACU, Amb. Surg.

Thank you Helllllonurse.

As for the white dress, shoes, stockings and cap.....hardee-har, harrrrrrr! :chuckle As I stated before, yes, i wore that get up. I also found I had more perverted pts with no respect for me than I do now that I wear "hideous scrubs and stinky sneakers". Strange what solid navy blue and running shoes will do for the level of respect a person gets.

Yes, Dave, there are all kinds in nursing. I've worked with absolute morons and absolute geniuses. Most of us fall somewhere in between. I've also worked with doctors who were absolute morons, and some who are brilliant. You find all kinds in every profession and walk of life.

Please feel free, as someone posted, to wear a starched dress, a cap, a conservative "50s 'do" and spanking white nurses shoes. I'm sure the novelty will grow old very quickly. Psst...there's a reason why starched dresses and caps fell from grace.

You do make a very good point about how nurses complain. I found that for much of my nursing career, and the bickering and backstabbing among nurses is one of the numerous reasons why I no longer work as a nurse. I have found that nurses do spend a great deal of time bickering in the breakroom, but become silent in the boardroom. Very few, unfortunately, are will to take their complaining to the next level and do something about it--except leave nursing. So I agree on that point, nurses do need to organize and demand change. They need to back eachother up and stick together.

But overall, your comments are rather derogatory. Some of the best nurses I've ever worked with had lowly diplomas and not lofty BSNs. One fantastic nurse had to take her boards three times--she just doesn't do well on multiple choice tests. But she was so good that even the docs used to flock around her asking for opinion on things.

Perhaps, Dave, instead of heaping on the criticism, and focusing on the things that don't matter a hoot (like caps) you will become a shining star that other nurses can learn from. But if you maintain your arrogant, know-it-all attitude, you're going to find yourself alienated and ignored. And as for now, you are a volunteer. I suggest you get down from your high horse and seek to learn from these nurses that you find so incompetent. You'd be surprised what you can find out, once you open your eyes and ears and shut your mouth!

Where is Dave anyway?

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
Originally posted by mario_ragucci

Hey Dave, I understand what you are talking about. For me, I just look at it in the way i am going to positively help other people, one at a time, minute by minute, and the shadows that I will create when I really put my time in.

Don't let some nurses appear to bring a downer because of their denenour or slobishness. Many kids influence their parents today in dress and naitivity (assored meds), and many nurses have families and sometimes single parent "house" holds.

Also, you are a guy, so lets just let it go at that.

Can I get a translation here? This post is complete nonsense to me..or am I missing something? PS-Dave-how are you qualified to judge a nurse's skills? As a student and a volunteer in the hospital I would really like to know what your assessment criteria are..I happen to agree with one point-I like to look professional..I do not wear all white nor do I wear cutesy prints but I am neat and clean with white pants and solid colored tops and always a tastefullly printed jacket.....However I do work with tatooed and peirced satff members in wild scrubs and initially it was surprising to me how well they were accepted by the elderly patients....Seems even an Altzeimer's pt has the ability to not judge a book by it's cover-so why can't everyone else? (shessh-everybody thinks they are a frigging expert )
Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.

quote........Don't let some nurses appear to bring a downer because of their denenour or slobishness. Many kids influence their parents today in dress and naitivity (assored meds), and many nurses have families and sometimes single parent "house" holds. .............quote I can't let this slide-what does it mean that kids influence their parents today-assorted meds? What are you implying? Adult nurses dressing like "homies" and Brittney Spears? What about the MEDS? And what does being a single parent have to do with this? Are single parents slovenly? Are working mothers slovenly? What is naitivity? HellloooooMario-enlighten ME....PLEASE..... ;>)

My dear......personally I'd give about as much credence to what you have to say as I would the little old lady pushing lattes and chocolate chip cookies in the lobby.

Dave, I have been thinking about your post today at work. What I would like to know is this- If nurses are so disrespected and sloppy, why in the heck would you want to be one?? If we are so disrespected by doctors and NP, why would you want to be one?? I guess I must be dense, because for as many complaints as you have for nurses it absolutly is beyond me why you would want to be a nurse?????? Please come on and answer all of our questions!

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