The Value of AN

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Part of the value of AN is that it conveys the norms of the career we've all (or most of us, anyway) chosen to those who otherwise wouldn't have any way of finding out the norms. Nurses know that you don't call yourself a nurse unless you've been through an accredited program, passed the licensing exam, and hold a nursing license. But evidently some nursing schools don't cover that fact (or some posters were asleep when it was covered) and don't know that. And pre-nursing students wouldn't know unless someone told them. Someone told them right here on the site, and all anyone had to do was read the thread. That's awesome! That's a resource I could have benefitted greatly from when I was a lowly nursing student. Or a brand new nurse. Or even a not-so-new nurse who couldn't figure out why my co-workers hated me. (It's obvious now, but it wasn't then, and one post here would have cleared up the mystery for me pretty darned quick, had I the intelligence to pay attention.)

There are those who ask the question and there are hundreds more of those who can benefit from the answer, whether or not they themselves thought to ask the question. "Do I really have to drive to work in the snow?" "How do I survive working the night shift when I'm always tired?" "Why does my preceptor hate me?" "Fired -- now what?" All these burning questions -- and more -- are asked and answered on AN, and even if you didn't ask the question, reading through the answers may give you glimmers of insight you didn't know you needed. It's a valuable resource.

Like any profession, ours has norms. One of the toughest things about being a newbie is inadvertently stepping on the norms of your profession, and not realizing that you did so until your colleagues are ostracizing you. Reading AN can prevent some of that drama. Yes, you have to drive to work in the snow and it's unwise to insist to your manager that "it's not worth my life" to show up when you're scheduled. Yes, you really have to work your night shifts and your colleagues will be unimpressed when you insist that you're really too special to work nights, or that you shouldn't have to because it makes you miserable. Yes, hospitals do have IT departments scanning the social media for references to their institution or posts by their employees or potential employees. Now whether you've paid attention and internalized the advice is another story.

What I really cannot understand is why those who can benefit most from the free insights and advice offered on AN not only reject the information but angrily insist that it's incorrect or unimportant. I do know that it tells me a lot about that person, and what kind of an employee and a colleague they will make in the future. And, being the kind of person that I am, I'll admit that it can also lead to a helluva entertaining thread!

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Calling someone out is totally different from "not liking them". It's making a statement based on observation. It's not personal.

Also, when I used the term "COB" earlier I meant it in an endearing way--for people who are self-proclaimed COBs. Just re-read my previous post and realized I might need to clarify that. I love COBs :)

I remember a particular post like that; what I remember is that I only recall a VERY small percentage of poss that stated that "maybe nursing isn't for you"; most responders attempted to explain what was happening; also posters took issue with the OP's alleged criticism of the "smell" of the unit; that wasn't disparaging to say "think of that being your loved one" albeit not in that same quote, but the wording and the theme was there; we are all different in our delivery; however, most COBs intent is positive; don't mistake the removal of tone or posters who may not be COBs at all who MAYBE being snarky or a nurse AT ALL and lump them with COBs. ;no:

Specializes in LTC.

All the knowledge, advice, and tips I have received on AN have been priceless. When I first joined, I believed in the "nursing shortage" myth. I heeded the advice to investigate the nursing opportunities in my area before spending money on nursing school. There were so many good study tips that helped me pass nursing school and NCLEX. I also knew what to expect when I first walked in the door to begin my first nursing job in LTC based on the shared experiences (both good and bad) from LTC nurses on AN.

I am also very appreciative of the funny and amusing posts. They sure do help lighten my mood. :)

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho, ASC.
It is like a smoker telling someone else that smoking is bad. While the smoker may be right, he or she cannot be taken seriously as he or she is contradicting the message.

While I do think she has contributed to AN, I also think she has turned off a lot of people from AN thanks to some of her inflammatory threads and her demeaning posts. AN is a great website, but posters shouldn't have to fear that a personal vent will garner a disparaging thread meant to deride the target.

Remember people will be more receptive to honey than vinegar...but that does not mean babying anyone.

There's the disconnect:

No one here is trying to lure or attract anyone, with honey or otherwise. New/old/in-between nurses come here for advice. They ASK for it!! Most of us try to honestly, sensibly and truthfully answer those questions as they're asked. If truthful answers come out vinegary, so be it. If those vinegary, truthful, been-there, done-that answers cause just one new nurse to better understand her job or his boss or her situation, and feel more equipped to deal with it, then we've done good.

And seriously, if one poster (Ruby Vee, for example), has turned away or turned off other posters with her honest, reality-based answers, then their sensibilities are too tender for the field of nursing. Just sayin...

There's the disconnect:

No one here is trying to lure or attract anyone, with honey or otherwise. New/old/in-between nurses come here for advice. They ASK for it!! Most of us try to honestly, sensibly and truthfully answer those questions as they're asked. If truthful answers come out vinegary, so be it. If those vinegary, truthful, been-there, done-that answers cause just one new nurse to better understand her job or his boss or her situation, and feel more equipped to deal with it, then we've done good.

And seriously, if one poster (Ruby Vee, for example), has turned away or turned off other posters with her honest, reality-based answers, then their sensibilities are too tender for the field of nursing. Just sayin...

-Agree with the first paragraph.

-Disagree strongly with the second paragraph, though it does help to illustrate my point.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Do you have anything to contribute to the purpose of this thread, kanzai?

Yup, already contributed. Sorry it wasn't to your liking, doesn't mean it wasn't valid.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

Ruby is a loved member here by many members. Her salty, forthright honesty has made her a long beloved member. I would rather work with Ruby with her years of experience and her up front honesty than some saccharin sweet faced back stabbing "popular" co-worker. You KNOW what Ruby thinks and where she stands. These are qualities I admire.

While it may not be what you want to hear and how you want to hear it....it is good advice...IF you choose to hear it. I would rather hash it out up front and leave it on the table. I admire that in her.

Nursing is not rainbows and puppy dogs. We have to do a disproportionate amount of work in an unreasonable amount of time. There isn't always time to have those gentle spirit raising inspiring speeches that leave one warm any fuzzy with positive reinforcement. We communicate the necessary information in as few words as possible....a job hazard. Just because information isn't in the preferred format and delivery doesn't disqualify the wisdom behind the words.

"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted"

I personally love Ruby. She's about as real as one can get. No sugar coating. There are too many cry babies in the real world (and on AN at times).

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

I have learned a lot here on AN for both my clinical practice and for the "social norms" of nursing. One very valuable thing I've learned is that when things go wrong, I'm not alone in the nursing world. I tend to be extremely hard on myself in my practice, so when a decision I've made wasn't the best decision, I am gutted, and my coping mechanisms--such as thinking I must be the WORST nurse in the world--are obviously not healthy. When I read that others have made mistakes and they (and their patients) have survived and thrived, it reframes my situation for me, and I am then able to use more healthy coping mechanisms and learn from my mistakes. For me, that is the value I get from this site.

As for the comments about the OP in this thread, my opinion is that Ruby can be a divisive member of this forum at times, but, for me personally and in private PMs, she has been a very supportive and knowledgeable online buddy. She also rarely responds to personal criticisms of her with outright meanness and also doesn't get overly defensive. She's a tough old broad (said with affection) that occasionally makes me cringe with her tone, but at the same time, I find her perspective interesting and there is always something to learn from her.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Personally, I would rather work with someone who tells it like it is, as opposed to the sort who pat you on the back with one hand while sinking the knife in your back with the other.

I've been a nurse for a long time, but I still learn something when I come here to AN. It's nice to be able to check out forums that have nothing to do with my specialty and see what other nurses are doing.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

Her words are truths. I too might think...OUCH...on occasion...or I might have said that differently. I might not always agree...but what she says has value and is the truth. I can be friends with that person. Good or bad they will have your back.

My daughter got accepted to a select few BSN programs for this fall. I am so proud I could burst. But I have raised her with the moxie I had to learn. When I became ill her life changed. Her view of the world altered....and I find that my beautiful graceful baby is resilient and wise. She has learned life isn't rainbows and puppy dogs. She knows that it is not the obstacles thrown in your path but how you navigate around them that counts.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. A lot of posters know how they come off and get off on it. A newbie says something flippant, they're considered in experienced and need to know their place. They go to your profile to look up past posts and throw up things in your face and also to see how long you've been practicing. An experienced nurse says something sarcastic or in a rude tone (yes we know we can't determine tone over the internet) and 'they mean well!' 'Thats just how they are! They tell it like it is!' It gets old and that's why some people are afraid to ask for advice.

Not to say baby some posters, but say what you would say to a person in their face. Tone, words, and all. I think a lot of us get behind a computer and lose tact. (Myself included) Ruby gives good advice (sometimes). A lot of the experienced nurses do. But advice can be given without harsh things said in between.

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