Manager said something covertly racist

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I was at a leadership conference recently with my manager and several other supervisors (1 manager, 4 supervisors total). During the conference, we were asked to simulate how we would communicate with a housekeeper that went above and beyond by doing something outside of their normal job duties to help a patient.

One of my fellow supervisors says, "I'll be the housekeeper."

My manager says, "I wanna be the housekeeper!"

I say, "----- said it first, she can be the housekeeper."

My manager says to my fellow supervisor, "------, you're name is NOT Juanita Lopez" ****I have changed this name*****

To the best of my knowledge, Juanita Lopez is not a real person who works at my organization, but has a very common sounding Hispanic name. I believe she was insinuating that housekeepers are generally Hispanic. The rest of us supervisors were kind of shocked and looked at each other for a minute, felt uncomfortable, and then went on with the exercise.

What makes it even worse, is that one of my peers IS Hispanic. She is also my friend.

I feel this should be reported to HR, however here is my hesitation: In the past I have gone round and round with HR reporting bullying and inappropriate behaviors, along with MANY fellow employees including other supervisors, doctors and staff. My manager has a long history of bullying and incivility and retaliation, and there is a long history of HR not doing anything about it. It's a "Good ole' boys network." Everyone who feels her wrath just eventually winds up leaving the organization.

Out of the the 3 other supervisors:

My Hispanic friend does not want to make a big deal out of it, and absolutely hates confrontation, and actively avoids it. She does not want to say anything, nor be dragged into anything. She said she is used to these sorts of incidences and just lets it roll off her back.

The other two kind of just do their own thing, and have had the chance to stand up in the past, and/or support others who have been bullied, but they just don't.

I don't know if I have the energy to deal with this again, out of need for self-preservation, and also knowing that I will not have any back up, and knowing HR likely won't do anything. My plan is to find something else by the end of the year.

Here are my options:

*Confront my manager - she does not do well with confrontation, becoming extremely defensive and wrathful

*Report to HR openly - this did not go well for my last fellow supervisor who reported bullying, and she went through months of stress and heartache, and finally resigned.

*Report to HR anonymously - this did not go well for myself and about a dozen other people I know over the years, and I don't believe my anonymity was actually protected.

*Send an anonymous letter.

*Go to the news.

*Do nothing.

Regardless of what I pursue, if any investigation is opened, my friend will be dragged into it. None of my options feel good or right.

Has anything dealt with anything similar?

I am sorry but did you forget to take some medication today?I have seen this none sense involving every specter.If the Latino nurse is not making a big deal out of it why are you.Did she ask,beg you to intervene?While it is true that in some areas of the country many aides or housekeepers are latino[i have worked with some wonderful hard working ones] so what. No one behaved unprofessionally,maybe ignorant ,but you are thinking of going to media,or anonymous letters, come on.If I saw the latino housekeeper doing all the work while the others sit around doing nothing and her supervisor is well aware, then there would be wrath.

Hold on. You have 35 years experience as a nurse. You stated you've seen this non-sense involving every specter. How many of those years did you run into nurses doing and saying incorrect things that could implicate they practice racism....on the job with their patients, but you yet you say absolutely nothing to correct them to let them know that culture is not accepted at the hospital, not on your watch???? Do people who are racist don't say, "I'm racist at home, just not at work? I'm racist in my toes but not my fingers??" I'm a nurse, but yet I'd have to be on my deathbed before I go to a hospital. Get me to the community kitchen doctor. How you view the public you care for directly correlates to the care you give them and their outcomes.

I'm very confused by this post. OP, do you see being a housekeeper as a degrading job? Because that's what you are insinuating.

I find housekeeping to be a very skilled trade and I think you are very wrong here. Good pay and benefits as well.

You are way off base. You need a lesson in what actual racism is. It is real and does exist, but you just seeing it where it doesn't exist, makes it all the harder for those that actually do.

I'm sure it will be very easy for you to find something else to be angry over.

Specializes in MCH,NICU,NNsy,Educ,Village Nursing.
Ok what you wrote smacks of insensitivity but do you really know her true intentions? I am trying to figure out why you want this reported, what are your true intentions?

I am a German Jew who happens to speak German. People all the time ask me if I know any good German restaurants, any good German beer and do not get me started on being Jewish. My friends are always asking for my input about money matters, and potato pancakes at our potlucks...is this racists? Maybe your manager was thinking of her favorite housekeeper? Maybe your manager was remembering the housekeeper who made a difference in her life?

I grew up in Canada in the Yukon...I have been known to dance like some natives and people laugh at me (think Elaine on Seinfeld) heck I laugh at me too. I have overheard my friends talk about music and then start to remember me and my silly dance...they start that silly dance holding their hand to their mouth sounding out a wa...wa....wa...I have never thought it was racist I have always thought it was because they are thinking enough about me, and love me as a friend. If you witnessed this you would assume they are being racist, but I know their true intentions and it is far from what your mind is thinking.

Todays interactions are filled with different cultures and we are suppose to honor each one I get this but I am going to communicate at times that may sound insensitive. I am going to offend some one I just know it, I am very honest and tell it like it is. Does this make me horrible...no it makes me human and I would appreciate if you were not in such a gosh darn hurry to slap me down because I am human, all because I am not as sensitive as you would want.

People are offended on a daily basis, this should not be a crime or you should not lose you job unless of course it can be proven you are intentionally causing discrimination.

I would just let your manager know what she said was interpreted as a racists remark and made you feel uncomfortable, at least I know where your mind is and will try very hard to not offend you when I do communicate with you. Life is not so right and wrong there are many more gray areas. This is being a sensible, caring about others, human being.

Yes! Well said!

I used to feel the way you do. But I have learned that "being right" isn't always the most important thing. Sometimes, it is better to be "effective" than "right." The best approach is the one that has the best chance of opening a conversation that may improve the sensitivity of the manager in the scenario.

If she responds in almost any manner to the OP's discomfort, it provides an opening for the OP to say something more along the lines that most people interpret such remarks as insensitive and even at times, racist. While she may not mean them in a racist manner, that is how such remarks are usually interpreted. That gives the manager an opportunity to absorb that opinion of her remarks without feeling as strong a need to defend herself -- and it might lead to a little self-reflection that won't happen if she is focused on defending herself from the OP's accusation of racism.

Yes, the comment was wrong. But the manager is most likely to learn not to say such things if she comes to realize their wrongness herself. Leading her to that realization through non-threatening conversation is usually more effective than creating distance and conflict by attacking her.

Bolded is mine. It's not a question of ego or the desire to assert that one is right. Did anyone suggest that the OP should attack the manager with threatening conversation or create distance and conflict with threatening conversation? I certainly didn't. If you read my post correctly, I advocated straightforward, polite, tactful, conversation.

Therapeutic conversation in the manner you advocate is often ineffective as it side-steps the actual problem, and I disagree that being self-effacing, i.e. "When you did xyz it made me feel uncomfortable," and then hoping that the manager will choose to reflect on his/her behavior and change it so that it is appropriate, is the best way for the OP to approach his/her manager. I have observed managers in health care to be strong enough emotionally to deal with straightforward, polite, tactful, conversation re their own behavior; they usually have to deal with far more adversarial situations in their daily work. If one's manager is so fragile that they cannot be spoken to straightforwardly, tactfully, and politely, in regard to their own behavior, without feeling threatened and becoming defensive, that is a far bigger problem for the organization.

Hmmm. Interesting. Are you saying the OP is not telling the truth of what she witnessed and heard? Given that the OP correctly stated what she witnessed, what information could possibly be missing that would change the context of what was said by the manager? Are you saying that it is not offensive for the manager to say, "You're not a Juanita Lopez" instead of, "you are not a housekeeper"? Hmmmmm.

I am not saying she is lying, only that situations described out of context can be misleading and that I have not read anything overtly offensive.

I am 100% saying that using Juanita Lopez as a name descriptor for a housekeeper should not be offensive in and of itself.

1) What does Juanita Lopez convey beyond a name? Maybe there is legit a Juanita Lopez on the housekeeping staff? Like i already pointed out, zero ethnic or national origin information can be taken from a name, it is just a name and any ethnic or national origin information taken from the name could itself be seen as stereotyping.

2) Even if she said, "Hey you are not Hispanic or Portuguese" that in and of itself is not pejorative. What if 100% of the housekeeping staff actually was Hispanic or Portuguese? Then it would be an accurate representation of the profession. I am a male nurse and understand the fact that nursing is deemed a female profession and the vast majority of the time nurses are represented as female. Is it sexist that they do that? No, it is an accurate representation of the demographics of the profession.

These losers were fighting over the chance to impersonate a housekeeper.

I'm dying to know if the second contestant was actually hispanic and/or named "Juanita Lopez." But I guess that would only really determine whether she was an epic loser instead of just a basic loser.

Specializes in ER.
Ok what you wrote smacks of insensitivity but do you really know her true intentions? I am trying to figure out why you want this reported, what are your true intentions?

I am a German Jew who happens to speak German. People all the time ask me if I know any good German restaurants, any good German beer and do not get me started on being Jewish. My friends are always asking for my input about money matters, and potato pancakes at our potlucks...is this racists? Maybe your manager was thinking of her favorite housekeeper? Maybe your manager was remembering the housekeeper who made a difference in her life?

I grew up in Canada in the Yukon...I have been known to dance like some natives and people laugh at me (think Elaine on Seinfeld) heck I laugh at me too. I have overheard my friends talk about music and then start to remember me and my silly dance...they start that silly dance holding their hand to their mouth sounding out a wa...wa....wa...I have never thought it was racist I have always thought it was because they are thinking enough about me, and love me as a friend. If you witnessed this you would assume they are being racist, but I know their true intentions and it is far from what your mind is thinking.

Todays interactions are filled with different cultures and we are suppose to honor each one I get this but I am going to communicate at times that may sound insensitive. I am going to offend some one I just know it, I am very honest and tell it like it is. Does this make me horrible...no it makes me human and I would appreciate if you were not in such a gosh darn hurry to slap me down because I am human, all because I am not as sensitive as you would want.

People are offended on a daily basis, this should not be a crime or you should not lose you job unless of course it can be proven you are intentionally causing discrimination.

I would just let your manager know what she said was interpreted as a racists remark and made you feel uncomfortable, at least I know where your mind is and will try very hard to not offend you when I do communicate with you. Life is not so right and wrong there are many more gray areas. This is being a sensible, caring about others, human being.

Can you refer me to a good lawyer? ;)

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I continue to be amazed at the capacity of human beings to become outraged at just about anything. This is a tempest in a teapot, IMHO. Was the remark about "Juanita Lopez" PC? Nope. Was it something to get all worked up over. I don't think so. There is so much else to get offended about these days. Let it go.

Specializes in ICU.

Sounds like you are over-reacting to a comment that probably was made innocently. None of our housekeepers are Hispanic, though, but if they were, I wouldn't have taken her comment as racist.

I disagree. I think the comment was insensitive and yes, racist. It expresses the social acceptance of overt racism for certain races and complete revolt of the same for other specific minorities. For example, I bet if the other manager had said a name like "Latifa Jones" instead of a Hispanic name there would be an uproar. And I guarantee if she had even that thought on her mind, she would've double checked it and said to herself not to do it because she knew the repercussions that would follow - she would've immediately been branded a racist. But something told her that it was OK to make a generalized Latino name as a joke and expect people to not be shocked by it. Yes, there are bigger issues to deal with in healthcare, but I also feel it's ignoring an equally large problem by telling OP to just let it go because this is the type of overt racism that people take for granted. It's like when Borat made an Asian member size joke at the Oscars - it wasn't bleeped (there's a 5 minute delay), the people who are responsible for censoring the broadcast felt it was an OK thing to do. Now had he made a joke about a physical aspect of a black person, his career would've been over.

I disagree. I think the comment was insensitive and yes, racist. It expresses the social acceptance of overt racism for certain races and complete revolt of the same for other specific minorities. For example, I bet if the other manager had said a name like "Latifa Jones" instead of a Hispanic name there would be an uproar. And I guarantee if she had even that thought on her mind, she would've double checked it and said to herself not to do it because she knew the repercussions that would follow - she would've immediately been branded a racist. But something told her that it was OK to make a generalized Latino name as a joke and expect people to not be shocked by it. Yes, there are bigger issues to deal with in healthcare, but I also feel it's ignoring an equally large problem by telling OP to just let it go because this is the type of overt racism that people take for granted. It's like when Borat made an Asian member size joke at the Oscars - it wasn't bleeped (there's a 5 minute delay), the people who are responsible for censoring the broadcast felt it was an OK thing to do. Now had he made a joke about a physical aspect of a black person, his career would've been over.

What does Latifa communicate to you? Are you associating a race, ethnicity, or national origin with that name?

If a race, ethnicity, or national origin was associated with housekeeping, why you associate that with a negative? Is housekeeping somehow a negative profession?

We don't know what the demographics of housekeeping even are, it could very well be an accurate representation of the demographics in that facility. What if there was a Juanita Lopez in housekeeping?

As a male nurse, It would be ridiculous for me to get upset every time I see the profession represented by women because it is an accurate representation of the demographics.

Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.

I think this is a do nothing situation. A wintry disney song comes to mind. I'll spare you.

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