Is there a feeling of entitlment among new grads? - page 4

I posted this is the New Grad forum, but want to post it here as well to get some thoughts and feeling of those with experience and different perspective. I am in the grad class of May 09. As a... Read More

  1. by   Acosmo27
    is having 'to whom it may concern' for reference letters really a deal breaker???
  2. by   fiveofpeep
    To them this economic downturn is a chance to increase patient loads, freeze wages and cut benefits. Before this is all over their margins will be up and they will give themselves a big, fat bonus and a platinum gold parachute.
    I totally agree. I think some hospitals are milking the poor economy to cut corners
  3. by   fiveofpeep
    I dont know if I have felt entitled, but I do agree that I went into nursing being told that it would be so easy to get a job, and Im still told that now by people who arent in the industry. I think alot of the entitlement attitudes come from people who are fearful combined with the fresh epiphany that it really isnt that easy. I still feel so blessed to have found a career that is perfect for me and I know that in the end it will all work out.

    I have felt a tad disillusioned (and who knows, maybe that came off as entitlement?) because its frustrating when you do have a 4.00 in RN school and feel that effort should equal reward, but Im learning that life doesnt always work out fairly ;-).

    When it comes to shifts and units, Im game for any unit, any shift, any day and will be thrilled to be there . My official job search starts in June and I cant wait to finally be able to apply.
  4. by   whoknows56
    Yep. That's how it goes in all businesses. Some will lay off the most expensive employee and some will cut positions that a support staff. I know most small businesses will make cuts so the bosses are able to keep from going under.
  5. by   Jules A
    Quote from maggiofliore
    I dont know if I have felt entitled, but I do agree that I went into nursing being told that it would be so easy to get a job, and Im still told that now by people who arent in the industry. I think alot of the entitlement attitudes come from people who are fearful combined with the fresh epiphany that it really isnt that easy. I still feel so blessed to have found a career that is perfect for me and I know that in the end it will all work out.

    I have felt a tad disillusioned (and who knows, maybe that came off as entitlement?) because its frustrating when you do have a 4.00 in RN school and feel that effort should equal reward, but Im learning that life doesnt always work out fairly ;-).

    When it comes to shifts and units, Im game for any unit, any shift, any day and will be thrilled to be there . My official job search starts in June and I cant wait to finally be able to apply.
    You sound like you have realistic expectations and I bet you will do just fine. I did want to ask why if you aren't applying until June that you feeling disillusioned now? Are you graduating in August? I know its different every where but around here if someone is graduating in the spring and wants a new grad orientation program they need to be lined up well before graduation because they start in June or July. Good luck!
  6. by   BabyLady
    As an upcoming new grad...here is my take on it:

    I think you may be using "entitlement" when you probably really mean "expectation".

    Yes, I had an expectation that when I finished nursing school, that I was going to be able to pick my hospital, pick my unit...but I did not expect to pick my shift.

    The reality: The economy had a major hit while I was in.

    Yes, I did get a job at my #1 Choice for hospital and unit...but I can tell you now, it was a little luck (I had no connections with this hospital, and I would wager that my application was average)...however, I do pride myself in giving one hell of an interview....which in my case, I feel made the difference between getting the job and not.

    However, the truth is, had I not got that job, there ARE jobs available...it may not be the pay and the hospital and the unit you want to work in...but any new grads that cannot find a job aren't willing to negotiate ...and before anyone slams me for that answer, to REALLY want a job you have to be willing to move if necessary...yes, not every family situation is up for relocation...but the jobs are available if you are willing to go to them.
  7. by   Midwest4me
    Quote from acosmo27
    is having 'to whom it may concern' for reference letters really a deal breaker???
    perhaps not always a "deal breaker' but if you can find out who the don is and address the cover letter to him/her, it is more professional and demonstrates you've done your homework.
  8. by   fiveofpeep
    Quote from Jules A
    You sound like you have realistic expectations and I bet you will do just fine. I did want to ask why if you aren't applying until June that you feeling disillusioned now? Are you graduating in August? I know its different every where but around here if someone is graduating in the spring and wants a new grad orientation program they need to be lined up well before graduation because they start in June or July. Good luck!
    Oh thank you

    I graduate December 09 so most of the job listing I have seen thus far are for the summer. Thank you for your concern though . If I were graduating this August I would be very grateful for you reminding me to kick it into high gear before it's too late
  9. by   MissBehavin
    I think perhaps it was more SHOCK, if you started nursing school 2-4 years ago (heck even a 1 year ago) there were so many jobs, hospitals were recruiting, there were sign on bonuses. Everyone heard stories of people going to a hospital, saying they were a RN and basically being handed a job (not really true, but everyone has heard the story). Many people go into nursing as their second career because of the job stability. I know several people who worked really hard and externed in hospitals (where they are under contract to work for "x" amount of years) that were let go after finishing nursing school, because the hospital couldn't afford to hire 20+ nurses. I think it is just a shock that when they started all they heard was "nursing shortage" and now new grads can look for 6 months before finding a job. It shows the sad state of the economy more than anything.
  10. by   nursgirl
    Great thread... I am graduating December 09 and so it is helpful for me to gather info for job hunting skills NOW rather than waiting til the last minute...

    For some reason I am not too worried about finding work after school. It's not that I think someone is going to hand me a job... it's just that I absolutely KNOW that I am supposed to be in nursing school, that's it what I am meant to do with my life... that it's what all my life experience and hardships I've endured have been leading me to. Don't know if that makes any sense..

    Anyway, I have never felt entitled to a position anywhere, honestly. From the beginning of nursing school (August 07) I have felt like if I can have a nursing job on any unit, any shift, any hospital... I will be thrilled. Maybe it's simply because ANY job is better than the sh*tty life I had before... 4 years ago I WAS the pt in excrutiating pain in a hospital bed wishing it would all end because I was tired of being sick and doctors having no answers. I think when you come from hell being able to work at all, let alone working in any facility sounds pretty good! LOL

    Anyhow, just my 2 cents.... some say I am way too optimistic... I say "whatever.. if that's my worst problem then it's all good to me!" I have a P/T job I can keep in a great hospital and hopefully I can turn it into an RN position
  11. by   BonnieSc
    Quote from BabyLady

    However, the truth is, had I not got that job, there ARE jobs available...it may not be the pay and the hospital and the unit you want to work in...but any new grads that cannot find a job aren't willing to negotiate ...and before anyone slams me for that answer, to REALLY want a job you have to be willing to move if necessary...yes, not every family situation is up for relocation...but the jobs are available if you are willing to go to them.
    This tone of superiority is rude, in my opinion, and I think you're probably another one who would see this differently if you were the one without a job. (You don't know what it's like or how you'll react until you're in that situation--even if you've been unemployed in the past.) In the same breath you say that you understand not every family is able to relocate AND that "any new grads that cannot find a job aren't willing to negotiate". For so many people this isn't about being "willing"--it's about being ABLE. Many of these people would have reluctantly decided not to pursue nursing if they knew they'd be out of a job unless they relocated. Even if a new grad IS able to get a job in another location--and it's harder than it might sound--and even if her/his spouse IS willing and able to quit her/his job and move, too--it's not going to be easy for two people in one family to find good jobs in the same remote location right now. Or, for the single parent, it may not be possible to move away from the extended family that is the support system and primary source of babysitting.

    What's the point of getting on a high horse and telling any jobless new grads that they clearly just don't want jobs enough? These people are crying out for a job--any job. They've probably never looked so hard for a job in their lives.
  12. by   bekindtokittens
    I graduate very soon, and have been putting in applications like crazy for the last two months. So have most of my classmates. I have applied for everything possible, no matter what shift or what unit. The two hospitals in my town have rejected every single application of mine. My only two interviews (that were not in a hospital) I got told that they liked me and would like to hire me, but that I could not be promised a job so early and call them back after I took the NCLEX. I hope the one I'd like to work at still has a position open when I get my license.

    A nurse recruiter for one of the hospitals recently came to speak to my class about jobs, and this is what he said. Last year, they came to our school recruiting new grads. This year, they have NO new grad programs in place, and may not have any for the rest of the year. For every job opening posted, they have at least 50 experienced RN applicants for the job, never mind all the new grad applicants. And when a classmate asked if we should still try and apply, she was told in a nice way that we should all stop applying until we took the NCLEX because we were wasting our time (and his?).

    Frustrating? Definitely. But I won't be giving up. I worked hard in school, and I will work just as hard to find a job. But I also won't let this situation make me take a job where I'd be pressured to work in unsafe conditions, which I fear is going to start happening.
  13. by   MAISY, RN-ER
    New grads have been duped by a continous rant of the impending/current nursing shortage. Jobs were becoming scarce for new grads in Northern NJ in 2006. That being said, any university, community college or diploma school that didn't prepare their nursing graduates for job hunting and the need for pertinent experience even with the shortage is not a school I'd want to attend or hire from!

    Additionally, you can't blame the new grads for having the expectations of good placement in areas they wanted....it's what was happening just a short time ago. Furthermore, if you consider some of the programs, and the requirements to remain in them and graduate with honors....you kind of understand where these people are coming from. I busted my butt to not only do well, but to get in my nationally ranked program and to get a job. I drove them crazy in personnel for externships, for per dierm technician jobs and finally for the ER. Squeaky wheel here....

    As for those who continue calling negotiating for what you want entitlement (including the DON), here's a newsflash...it's done in business everyday....you only get what you want by asking. I never worked nights and would not....I know my limitations and that was one of them. I remember the recruiter telling me "you must", I fully disagreed and turned the job down, only to be offered the day position. While I understand many of you believe in paying your dues, I also think that can be pushed too far! If you don't like your job leave, otherwise suck it up and perform what you agreed to do. KEY WORDS what you agreed to do.

    As for putting in time, I do agree that the low man on the totem pole may draw the short stick sometimes, I did and I am sure it happens all the time. However, in some cases it's to help some nurses to get better.....before I knew any better it seemed like punishment to always have and ER assignment and be precluded from triage, fasttrack, and other "easy" positions-that is until you understand the rationale of exposure to "sick" people in a non-stop fashion. How can you recognize "sick" as a triage or greeter nurse if you are still green? There are reasons for putting the newbies to work(in a manner of speaking).

    However, days like today kind of ****** me off-there should have been mandatory scheduling of new grads of orientation. We were short and that anyone new was off just boggled my mind!

    Anyway, keep your chins up new grads! You will have to search and fight for positions. You will have to call until you make yourself a pain! Each interview is a practice, make it count! You all will find something, if it's not what you want, keep looking, move or settle(for awhile.) Also, be humble, listen to others, learn, do, and anticipate your patient's and your preceptor's needs.

    Just some words of advice

    Maisy

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