Is there a feeling of entitlment among new grads?

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I posted this is the New Grad forum, but want to post it here as well to get some thoughts and feeling of those with experience and different perspective.

I am in the grad class of May 09. As a class we are facing difficulty in finding jobs. As I hear the stories on these forums and the complaints of my classmates I am starting to wonder if nursing students have taken on a feeling of entitlement.

This is my second degree, my first was in Biology. When I was in my first degree program we all found every opportunity we could to secure a job upon graduation. We took unpaid internships, worked after school, TA'd, networked, what ever it took. What I have scene in my class is that paid externships from the local hospital have gone unfilled. When I attend out of class lectures and seminars at the hospital there is not a single other nursing student there.

I had two full time offers upon graduation, both in the department I wanted to be in, due to the extra effort I put in. Only one other student in my class has a job. However most did not even start applying until recently and are complaining of the lack of jobs. Jobs are not entitlements, often they must be earned. I know that many of us, my self included, entered nursing in part because of the security and good pay, but when did that mean we stopped working hard to find a job and just put in a bunch of applications and hoped for the best?

An article in our local paper showed a grad nurse with a stack of scrubs with price tags still on stating she graduated last semester and still no job. Why did she go out and purchase scrubs without a job yet? A job is not a guarantee, not should it be. Nursing as a profession should be billed more as 'it takes a smart, strong person to get in' and not 'anyone who graduates has a guaranteed perfect job'. Most professionals do not expect to get the perfect job in any place they want immediately out of school, so why should nurses?

I am not try to anger anyone by making statements, I am just putting some thoughts down to see what other have observed. Think critically of the current situation facing new nurses. How does are attitudes affect how we go about obtaining jobs? Are we expecting to much, are we expecting more than other professional new grads do? What do we want the image of nursing to be? Not passing judgment, just asking questions that I really am trying to figure out.

Advice that was given to me by nursing directors is to first call the organization you are applying for and find out who will be reading your resume. Address your cover letter to them directly. DO NOT put to whom it may concern or nursing director, a fast way to get it thrown out in a competitive market.

Don't do blanket applications, take time and care to each one. Your cover letter needs and resume to address each postion individually. This takes time and care and a little research.

Keep in contanct with the orgs you are applying for. Call and ask questions, show enthusiasm for the position. Don't bug them, but keep in contact. Always reply promptly and formally. If you have a funny signature on your e-mail make sure to delete this before sending. Every contact should be professional.

Check the local hospital website for free educational opportunities. These are a great chance to network with hospital administration. Find out what the local status is from you area hospitals by asking directly, not through hearsay.

The first job may not be anywhere near where or the department you want to be in. That's OK, this is just the start. Gaining experience starts at the bottom and works up. The recession in temporary, these hiring cycles have been in existence long before we sought out jobs. It will get better. Hard work, a good attitude, and the willingness to work up will go a long way to securing a good future in a great profession.

Good luck to everyone out there, and go that extra effort to get that job you really desire!

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
I just finished RN-BSN program, and many of the 4 yr traditional BSNs are very upset because they "have" to work Med-Surg instead of ICU or OB, night shift instead of days, and worse yet...weekends!...those of us who were in the bridge program just shake our heads, wondering why these younger folks think they should get to start at the top instead or working their way up--I don't wish to offend anyone young, but it's mostly the younger graduates, although I've heard some of the older students comment as well. And unfortunately, this isn't the case with just nursing....it's rampant in just about every field.

This is what I notice more than anything else; new grads expecting choice shifts and positions before they got their feet wet. That is nonsense. Regarding their expectations to receive a job after being constantly reminded that there is a nursing shortage...well, I can't say I blame the new grads for that. In my area, before the economic crisis, it was easier to obtain a position within a few months. Now, there is no time to train people and since they are laying off incumbant nurses, at this time, they want people who can come in running. Also, more people are applying for agency jobs because the jobs laying off would rather not pay for health insurance.

I am not sure about grouping all of them into saying they have a sense of entitlement, but those who are naive enough to expect that they will have the choice shifts and positions immediately are fooling themselves.

The OP, however, listed excellent suggestions to get the ball rolling for those determined enough to succeed.:yeah:

I think, hon, that you'd be singing a different song if you WEREN'T lucky enough to have a job--and yes, I said "lucky". I'm very glad you have a job; you deserve it. But I'm sure, reading over all the posts, here, you've seen many, many posts that read "I graduated at the top of my class, made Sigma Theta Tau, got great evaluations in clinical, volunteered through the Red Cross, worked as an extern, and still haven't been able to find a job". If you lived in an area with fewer jobs, that would be YOU.

I think, also, of the many people in nursing school who just don't have the time to do some of the things you mention. Every out-of-class lecture they attend means hiring a babysitter. Working as an extern means giving up another job that pays twice as much and provides benefits for the family. I'm not saying any of those people should get a job before someone who is able to do those things and make the connections; that's not the way the world works. But some of those people, no matter how much they wanted to be nurses, might not have chosen to go to nursing school if they knew they'd have to do those things outside of school and then maybe not have a job after graduation anyway. It wouldn't have been practical for their families. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have been nurses anyway or anything like that; I praise them for their practical thinking when choosing a career, and now I feel sad for them.

I do get tired of hearing, also, about the employment cycles, how this is "just like" when happened in the 1990s and during other periods. I've never heard of any time as bad as this, to be honest. People who became nurses during the early 90s have told me about having to take a job on a unit they didn't want because that's where the jobs were. One nurse talked about working as a CNA for a few months until something opened up. I haven't heard anyone say they were out of work for over a year, and there seem to be a number of new grads in that situation here on Allnurses. I wish people would stop saying "It was the same way when I graduated--I had to work LTC, now go pay your dues like I did". It isn't the same way, it's worse. And LTC jobs aren't so easy to find.

Thank goodness, I was able to relocate to find a job. Eventually.

I am also one of the lucky new grads to have found a job. But I think it is only fair to point out that 1) new grad opportunities are scarce, and 2) there are droves of qualified candidates job-seeking. Put these two facts together and it is inevitable that some will not hook up with a position, despite doing everything right, having a good work ethic, and being all round worthy. Should we heap criticism on these unfortunate ones? I know several students I graduated with who are unable to get jobs, but are hard workers and bright nonetheless - some are too young to have an alternative career to resort to, and are baby-sitting!

Specializes in ER.

I do get tired of hearing, also, about the employment cycles, how this is "just like" when happened in the 1990s and during other periods. I've never heard of any time as bad as this, to be honest. People who became nurses during the early 90s have told me about having to take a job on a unit they didn't want because that's where the jobs were.

I felt lucky when I got a per diem job in 1990, and worked at it for 6 years with good evaluations, plus spent the rest of my time getting my degree. At the end of 6 years, I had the BSN, and I moved out of country for the only full time job I could find after 5 months of really determined job searching. I finally got to move back home this year. If anyone is looking for work there are about 20 job postings just at my hospital, and the northeast in general (Maine, NewBrunswick, Nova Scotia) are all looking for nurses.

Shortage or not, you can't just come out of school in any profession and get a perfect job without a lot of luck, and some steady, patient campaigning aimed at your target of choice. My first per diem job was preceded by about 10 months of volunteering on that unit, and chatting with the nurses. Show the employer what makes you special, and they will have you in mind when a spot opens up.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.
I never quite know how to reply to these "Those OTHER people do THIS negative thing, but *I*....GLORIOUS ME!, would never do that. Instead, I do all of THIS , and I AM LOVEEEEEEEEEED!" posts, so I usually find it best not to respond at all.

Oops.

:lol2: :D

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Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

So, lets imagine, there are 30 nursing students in the OP's class. They are competing for 2 new grad positions in their vicinity.

If all the 30 nursing students adopted the OP's highly proactive and 'professional' approach to job seeking, would that materialize more jobs available?

Just trying to figure this one out here, numbers wise... :cool: :coollook:

Specializes in Peds Critical Care, Dialysis, General.

My daughter graduated in May, 2008 with a degree in graphic communications. She told us that many people in the December class were still without jobs. They started their job hunting well after their graduation. Diana started looking for jobs as soon as she hit her final semester. She went on several interviews and didn't get those jobs and one of those was her first choice (she had done an internship there, they loved her, but didn't have a position that she was suited for). She got a job offer from one of the companies down on her list - she didn't think she'd get that one - a prestigious firm in the industry and loves her job. She still knows of classmates who haven't gotten a job in the industry. They started their job hunts after graduation and found most of the available positions gone.

As for a sense of entitlement, yes, many of the first career grads do display this attitude. We have one I thought was first career (she really looks young) and was a total surprise in her attitude toward work - she's fabulous. She was also asking what she could do better, how she could improve, etc. We had a great conversation one day and I found she really was second career and a tad older than others hired at the same time.

Thankfully, one who was hired with me has gone on to another job. She didn't work after 5pm (I don't get that, but those are her words). Always the last one in and the first one out.

Specializes in Critical Care.
So, lets imagine, there are 30 nursing students in the OP's class. They are competing for 2 new grad positions in their vicinity.

If all the 30 nursing students adopted the OP's highly proactive and 'professional' approach to job seeking, would that materialize more jobs available?

Just trying to figure this one out here, numbers wise... :cool: :coollook:

To put that into a local perspective, within 50 miles of me there are:

  • 70 grads from my class
  • 100 at a sister campus
  • 60 at a sister campus
  • 50 at yet another sister campus
  • 50 at...yes...another sister campus
  • 200+ from the entirety of Houston Community College
  • 200+ from UT-Houston, HBU, and TWU's BSN programs
  • 200+ from various other smaller local colleges to the region looking for Houston jobs.

That totals to at least 930 new grads in the immediate area. Granted, we have the world's largest medical center and numerous hospitals, but the total number of acute care hospitals in this region (it's a huge region geographically and population-wise) is around 30.

Even if you stretched the number to 50, counting places with 90 minute or more commutes one-way or LTACHs, that would still require each facility to take on at least 19 new grads to secure all grads a position.

Now consider that many (most?) of the facilities aren't hiring new grads at all. The math speaks for itself.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

I was always taught to not rely on jobs to just come to you, regardless of the "promises" made to you. be waiting at the door expecting to get in.

Just like many have gone to more frugal ways to save money and spend less on extravagant things, I hope that this current downturn in the nursing market will help to redefine what it means to enter the nursing profession. We are professionals and if we want to gain and maintain respect as such we need to encourage leadership, self drive, and set a high standard for entry into a demanding and rewarding career.

Well said, especially the part about the "promises"! How many people thought the stock market was a guaranteed 10% return and that doing an interest-only or adjustable loan on a house you can't afford was acceptable? I've taken tons of flack when I've suggested that living off loans and not working while in school isn't a great solution for most people.

I'm not sure about entitled but I do think it has been shocking to many and while its nice to get some support here the venting threads that are downright defensive when someone offers suggestions rather than just cyber hugs are puzzling to me. Maybe its because I'm so stinking old but I always hope for the best but prepare for the worst and it has served me. I can only hope that the new nursing students are taking note and planning accordingly.

So, lets imagine, there are 30 nursing students in the OP's class. They are competing for 2 new grad positions in their vicinity.

If all the 30 nursing students adopted the OP's highly proactive and 'professional' approach to job seeking, would that materialize more jobs available?

Just trying to figure this one out here, numbers wise... :cool: :coollook:

Ah, but realistically all 30 never adopt a highly productive approach. That's why some people get all A's, win awards, get promoted while others coast or don't survive.

The OP did a great job sharing her formula for success. She may come across as self-aggrandising, but that can be said of any successful person advising others & using their life experience as example. Fact is, in any field some people think they deserve something just by being there, & in nursing it may have been even more due to hype. The OP understood the difference between being there & being ahead.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
To put that into a local perspective, within 50 miles of me there are:

  • 70 grads from my class
  • 100 at a sister campus
  • 60 at a sister campus
  • 50 at yet another sister campus
  • 50 at...yes...another sister campus
  • 200+ from the entirety of Houston Community College
  • 200+ from UT-Houston, HBU, and TWU's BSN programs
  • 200+ from various other smaller local colleges to the region looking for Houston jobs.

That totals to at least 930 new grads in the immediate area. Granted, we have the world's largest medical center and numerous hospitals, but the total number of acute care hospitals in this region (it's a huge region geographically and population-wise) is around 30.

Even if you stretched the number to 50, counting places with 90 minute or more commutes one-way or LTACHs, that would still require each facility to take on at least 19 new grads to secure all grads a position.

Now consider that many (most?) of the facilities aren't hiring new grads at all. The math speaks for itself.

The math does speak for itself and what I'm hearing it say is that even if the economy was smoking red hot and all the baby boomers on the face of the earth required full time care there still wouldn't be an abundance of jobs in that area, right? :confused:

Specializes in Pediatric ED.

While I agree that new grads need to realize that they are indeed at the bottom of the totem pole, there is a difference between entitlement and pursuing your dream job.

When I entered my program I knew I wanted a position in a Pediatric ER in Ohio. After I take the NCLEX I'll be starting my job at Cincy Children's ER and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I found a hospital that had a program specifically for new grads in the ER and I worked hard to get it. I really never thought I would get it, but for some reason I did.

When established nurses ask me if I have a job lined up and where it is, they act like I've committed some sort of crime for already having a job, let alone having one in a double-specialty. Many have let me know, in no uncertain terms, that they think I will fail. Gee, thanks.

I don't feel entitled to the job, I feel blessed. I didn't complain about my salary; it might not be the highest I've seen, but I am absolutely thrilled to have it. I'll be on a flex schedule (which basically means I'm their b**** until I get off orientation) and I'm perfectly fine with that, as I see it not only as working my way up, but as providing me with the opportunity to try all the different shifts to find what works best for me.

What I'm trying to say is that there is nothing wrong with wanting something extreme and trying to get it. There's also nothing wrong with being dissappointed if you don't get it.

Desire =/= entitlement.

Also, to anyone who is really desperate: try the military or try looking out of state. Nearly everyone in my program (60 people) has a job, and we still don't graduate until June 19th. It is possible, you just might have to be a little flexible.

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