Is there a feeling of entitlment among new grads?

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I posted this is the New Grad forum, but want to post it here as well to get some thoughts and feeling of those with experience and different perspective.

I am in the grad class of May 09. As a class we are facing difficulty in finding jobs. As I hear the stories on these forums and the complaints of my classmates I am starting to wonder if nursing students have taken on a feeling of entitlement.

This is my second degree, my first was in Biology. When I was in my first degree program we all found every opportunity we could to secure a job upon graduation. We took unpaid internships, worked after school, TA'd, networked, what ever it took. What I have scene in my class is that paid externships from the local hospital have gone unfilled. When I attend out of class lectures and seminars at the hospital there is not a single other nursing student there.

I had two full time offers upon graduation, both in the department I wanted to be in, due to the extra effort I put in. Only one other student in my class has a job. However most did not even start applying until recently and are complaining of the lack of jobs. Jobs are not entitlements, often they must be earned. I know that many of us, my self included, entered nursing in part because of the security and good pay, but when did that mean we stopped working hard to find a job and just put in a bunch of applications and hoped for the best?

An article in our local paper showed a grad nurse with a stack of scrubs with price tags still on stating she graduated last semester and still no job. Why did she go out and purchase scrubs without a job yet? A job is not a guarantee, not should it be. Nursing as a profession should be billed more as 'it takes a smart, strong person to get in' and not 'anyone who graduates has a guaranteed perfect job'. Most professionals do not expect to get the perfect job in any place they want immediately out of school, so why should nurses?

I am not try to anger anyone by making statements, I am just putting some thoughts down to see what other have observed. Think critically of the current situation facing new nurses. How does are attitudes affect how we go about obtaining jobs? Are we expecting to much, are we expecting more than other professional new grads do? What do we want the image of nursing to be? Not passing judgment, just asking questions that I really am trying to figure out.

Advice that was given to me by nursing directors is to first call the organization you are applying for and find out who will be reading your resume. Address your cover letter to them directly. DO NOT put to whom it may concern or nursing director, a fast way to get it thrown out in a competitive market.

Don't do blanket applications, take time and care to each one. Your cover letter needs and resume to address each postion individually. This takes time and care and a little research.

Keep in contanct with the orgs you are applying for. Call and ask questions, show enthusiasm for the position. Don't bug them, but keep in contact. Always reply promptly and formally. If you have a funny signature on your e-mail make sure to delete this before sending. Every contact should be professional.

Check the local hospital website for free educational opportunities. These are a great chance to network with hospital administration. Find out what the local status is from you area hospitals by asking directly, not through hearsay.

The first job may not be anywhere near where or the department you want to be in. That's OK, this is just the start. Gaining experience starts at the bottom and works up. The recession in temporary, these hiring cycles have been in existence long before we sought out jobs. It will get better. Hard work, a good attitude, and the willingness to work up will go a long way to securing a good future in a great profession.

Good luck to everyone out there, and go that extra effort to get that job you really desire!

Specializes in Critical Care, Operating Room.

Great thread... I am graduating December 09 and so it is helpful for me to gather info for job hunting skills NOW rather than waiting til the last minute...

For some reason I am not too worried about finding work after school. It's not that I think someone is going to hand me a job... it's just that I absolutely KNOW that I am supposed to be in nursing school, that's it what I am meant to do with my life... that it's what all my life experience and hardships I've endured have been leading me to. Don't know if that makes any sense..

Anyway, I have never felt entitled to a position anywhere, honestly. From the beginning of nursing school (August 07) I have felt like if I can have a nursing job on any unit, any shift, any hospital... I will be thrilled. Maybe it's simply because ANY job is better than the sh*tty life I had before... 4 years ago I WAS the pt in excrutiating pain in a hospital bed wishing it would all end because I was tired of being sick and doctors having no answers. I think when you come from hell being able to work at all, let alone working in any facility sounds pretty good! LOL

Anyhow, just my 2 cents.... some say I am way too optimistic... I say "whatever.. if that's my worst problem then it's all good to me!" I have a P/T job I can keep in a great hospital and hopefully I can turn it into an RN position ;)

However, the truth is, had I not got that job, there ARE jobs available...it may not be the pay and the hospital and the unit you want to work in...but any new grads that cannot find a job aren't willing to negotiate ...and before anyone slams me for that answer, to REALLY want a job you have to be willing to move if necessary...yes, not every family situation is up for relocation...but the jobs are available if you are willing to go to them.

This tone of superiority is rude, in my opinion, and I think you're probably another one who would see this differently if you were the one without a job. (You don't know what it's like or how you'll react until you're in that situation--even if you've been unemployed in the past.) In the same breath you say that you understand not every family is able to relocate AND that "any new grads that cannot find a job aren't willing to negotiate". For so many people this isn't about being "willing"--it's about being ABLE. Many of these people would have reluctantly decided not to pursue nursing if they knew they'd be out of a job unless they relocated. Even if a new grad IS able to get a job in another location--and it's harder than it might sound--and even if her/his spouse IS willing and able to quit her/his job and move, too--it's not going to be easy for two people in one family to find good jobs in the same remote location right now. Or, for the single parent, it may not be possible to move away from the extended family that is the support system and primary source of babysitting.

What's the point of getting on a high horse and telling any jobless new grads that they clearly just don't want jobs enough? These people are crying out for a job--any job. They've probably never looked so hard for a job in their lives.

Specializes in Psych..

I graduate very soon, and have been putting in applications like crazy for the last two months. So have most of my classmates. I have applied for everything possible, no matter what shift or what unit. The two hospitals in my town have rejected every single application of mine. My only two interviews (that were not in a hospital) I got told that they liked me and would like to hire me, but that I could not be promised a job so early and call them back after I took the NCLEX. I hope the one I'd like to work at still has a position open when I get my license.

A nurse recruiter for one of the hospitals recently came to speak to my class about jobs, and this is what he said. Last year, they came to our school recruiting new grads. This year, they have NO new grad programs in place, and may not have any for the rest of the year. For every job opening posted, they have at least 50 experienced RN applicants for the job, never mind all the new grad applicants. And when a classmate asked if we should still try and apply, she was told in a nice way that we should all stop applying until we took the NCLEX because we were wasting our time (and his?).

Frustrating? Definitely. But I won't be giving up. I worked hard in school, and I will work just as hard to find a job. But I also won't let this situation make me take a job where I'd be pressured to work in unsafe conditions, which I fear is going to start happening.

Specializes in ER/EHR Trainer.

New grads have been duped by a continous rant of the impending/current nursing shortage. Jobs were becoming scarce for new grads in Northern NJ in 2006. That being said, any university, community college or diploma school that didn't prepare their nursing graduates for job hunting and the need for pertinent experience even with the shortage is not a school I'd want to attend or hire from!

Additionally, you can't blame the new grads for having the expectations of good placement in areas they wanted....it's what was happening just a short time ago. Furthermore, if you consider some of the programs, and the requirements to remain in them and graduate with honors....you kind of understand where these people are coming from. I busted my butt to not only do well, but to get in my nationally ranked program and to get a job. I drove them crazy in personnel for externships, for per dierm technician jobs and finally for the ER. Squeaky wheel here....

As for those who continue calling negotiating for what you want entitlement (including the DON), here's a newsflash...it's done in business everyday....you only get what you want by asking. I never worked nights and would not....I know my limitations and that was one of them. I remember the recruiter telling me "you must", I fully disagreed and turned the job down, only to be offered the day position. While I understand many of you believe in paying your dues, I also think that can be pushed too far! If you don't like your job leave, otherwise suck it up and perform what you agreed to do. KEY WORDS what you agreed to do.

As for putting in time, I do agree that the low man on the totem pole may draw the short stick sometimes, I did and I am sure it happens all the time. However, in some cases it's to help some nurses to get better.....before I knew any better it seemed like punishment to always have and ER assignment and be precluded from triage, fasttrack, and other "easy" positions-that is until you understand the rationale of exposure to "sick" people in a non-stop fashion. How can you recognize "sick" as a triage or greeter nurse if you are still green? There are reasons for putting the newbies to work(in a manner of speaking).

However, days like today kind of ****** me off-there should have been mandatory scheduling of new grads of orientation. We were short and that anyone new was off just boggled my mind!

Anyway, keep your chins up new grads! You will have to search and fight for positions. You will have to call until you make yourself a pain! Each interview is a practice, make it count! You all will find something, if it's not what you want, keep looking, move or settle(for awhile.) Also, be humble, listen to others, learn, do, and anticipate your patient's and your preceptor's needs.

Just some words of advice

Maisy

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