Incompetent nurses - page 3
I didn't know whether to list this as vent or concern, so I guess I'll just let it all out. I have been an RN for about 3 years and was a street medic for 7 years before that. I feel like I might be... Read More
Sep 23, '07Specialty: 5 year(s) of experience ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '07; Posts: 654; Likes: 892Quote from Charge205What is the point of this message?Hmmm I have to many words for your message. None are proper to type. Let me say this.. You are very critical. Everyone has good points and bad points. What are yours? Oh thats right, you typed yours! Did you ever think of becoming a teacher of these people you dislike? Or quiting your job and starting your own business. Then you could be a Boss!. Then people would complain about you.
Sep 23, '07Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 617; Likes: 257I'm starting back in nursing school in January. Our only exposure to EKG strips was 1/2 of a lecture period and about five questions on the next unit test about the various arrhythmias. Two of the five were bradycardia and tachycardia. Outside of those two rhythms, I couldn't name any others if I had a gun pointed to my head. Good thing I have no intention of doing telemetry.
When my husband was in orientation after he graduated (he went through the same ADN program I'm now in), they had a test on EKG strips. He passed (he's got a fantastic memory!) but four other people in his orientation class that were BSN's actually said that during their whole program, they never once went over strips. Never even saw one.
Perhaps it is true that when it comes to reading strips, paramedics get more training during school. How would I know though, it's not like I've ever been through a paramedic program and for that matter, I'm not even a nurse. All I know is that I have a major knowledge deficit when it comes to arrhythmias. Woo Hoo--I managed to incorporate a nursing dx into this post!
Sep 23, '07Occupation: R.N. Joined: May '07; Posts: 3,228; Likes: 3,680Quote from lostdruidScary, ain't it?Woo Hoo--I managed to incorporate a nursing dx into this post!
Sep 23, '07From: US ; Joined: Jan '05; Posts: 1,008; Likes: 369Anyone who would give such a strong opinion about their co-workers, then back it with their name and title must really be serious. I would love to hear their side of the story, and with this site so poplular, we just might!
Sep 23, '07Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 4; Likes: 8Quote from Angie O'Plasty, RNKeith, I'm confused. Are you an RN or a monitor tech?
Are you saying this stuff all happened 3 years ago when you were a monitor tech? If so, why are you bringing this stuff up now? Did you not take it up the chain of command and tell your story to your superiors?
If nothing happened when you told your story, why are you still working at that hospital?
Actually I was never a monitor tech. I have some friends that work in there though. Sorry, maybe I did come off a bit harsh, I just get sick of having RN's put others down due to educational prejudice. I have always tried to be able to learn one thing from everybody I come into contact with. Even as a field medic I always treated my partner with respect and honored their opinion even though I went through more schooling than she did. She was an extra pair of eyes, hands, and ears. She was very talented as an EMT (she is now a talented medic). I trusted her with my life everyday, and if my family needs a paramedic- I want her to respond.
I would love to go back in the field full time. But like most medics who go through a nursing program, I need the money. Have you tried to support a family on $10.00/hour? Suggested reading- Nickled and Dimed- sorry don't know the author.
I will admit I did come off harsh. The statement of having RN's block traffic was uncalled for. Consider this statement withdrawn.
I have received a lot of criticism of my opinion, but I asked for suggestions. Everyone does have the right to an opinion whether you agree with it or not. I figured if I got all this out in an open forum, those that do practice nursing the way I described can perhaps change their behavior and save a couple of lives in the process. It seems many of you who practice nursing the complete opposite as I have described, got offended. If you don't act like this why take it personal?Last edit by medicrnguy on Sep 23, '07 : Reason: needed to state more thoughts
Sep 23, '07Specialty: 4 year(s) of experience in Tele, ED/Pediatrics, CCU/MICU ; Joined: Jul '07; Posts: 203; Likes: 118You have power..... you have power because you have knowledge from both sides of the fence (from the EMS and RN standpoint). This power is a golden opportunity for you to take action within your facility, work with management, and set change in motion.
Unfortunately, you have chosen instead to make generalized, blanket statements about nurses, based on the behavior of a few. Your frustration could be channeled and used in so many ways for positive change.
There are many, many RN's on this planet... and contrary to your beliefs, they are capable of far more than "stopping traffic."
I do not think I am any better than anyone... I give my personal best each day (whether or not that meets your standards), and I respect others, ESPECIALLY ancillary staff.
I commend you for sharing your thoughts here... but please, next time utilize some respect.
Sep 23, '07Occupation: IM/Critical Care/Cardiology Specialty: compassion ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,555; Likes: 656Quote from medicrnguyEducational prejudice......."even though I went through more schooling than she did"........Did you do any teaching with this extra pair of hands,eyes and ears?Actually I was never a monitor tech. I have some friends that work in there though. Sorry, maybe I did come off a bit harsh, I just get sick of having RN's put others down due to educational prejudice. I have always tried to be learn one thing from everybody I come into contact with. Even as a field medic I always treated my partner with respect and honored their opinion even though I went through more schooling than she did. She was an extra pair of eyes, hands, and ears.
Contradicting thoughts....... You're partner was your partner.
Sep 23, '07Specialty: Geriatrics, Med-Surg. ; Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 949; Likes: 379I am starting a BSN program next year. Should I be worried about working on a step down or tele area? I am going to go with the thought that this post was a vent and that the nurses described were very much the exception and not the rule.
Sep 23, '07Joined: Apr '00; Posts: 24,611; Likes: 35,453Quote from linzzthe post you reference, was not even a vent, imo.I am starting a BSN program next year. Should I be worried about working on a step down or tele area? I am going to go with the thought that this post was a vent and that the nurses described were very much the exception and not the rule.
it was an extremely biased, alteration in perception of rn's in gen'l.
we just do not know what happened.
much of the post does not even make sense.
it is difficult to provide responsible feedback to a post that was filled with non-objective innuendos.
i promise you linzz, most rn's are highly capable of exceedingly, competent performance.
one of the first things you'll learn in the nsg process, is to gather all your data.
anyone that reads this thread, cannot assess the situation, until they have all pertinent information.
in the absence of the other nurses perception of events, as well as others involved, we will never know what truly happened.
wishing you only the best.
Sep 23, '07Occupation: Jack of all trades Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in Med/Surg, Geriatrics ; From: US ; Joined: May '01; Posts: 4,438; Likes: 3,919Quote from medicrnguySorry, maybe I did come off a bit harsh, I just get sick of having RN's put others down due to educational prejudice.
Oh so now we get down to the heart of the matter. You had a beef with an RN and thus the rant about our incompetence, poor education, and a perceived hierchary. You asked for suggestions: I suggest you try to work it out with whoever ticked you off instead of generalizing about RNs.
Quote from medicrnguyIf you don't act like this why take it personal?
Keith, let's not play games okay? Your post was intended to offend, not solve a problem. You acheived your goal and for the record, I in no way saw myself nor any of my colleagues in your rant. And while I share your appreciation of LPNs, paramedics, students, CNAs and all other ancillary personnel you named in your original post, I think it was cheap of you to express your appreciation of them as a means of getting a dig in at RNs.
Sep 23, '07Occupation: RN-Med-Surg Specialty: Geriatrics/Med-Surg/ED ; From: CO, US ; Joined: May '07; Posts: 88; Likes: 104After working ER for many years, I have the highest respect for paramedics. I have to say they know EKGs better than most nurses I know. Paramedics taught our ACLS class- a 2 wk class- yes we had docs teaching it too, but the paramedics quizzed us over & over on the strips. Many times we'd pick their brains on strips re: ER patients, and the paramedics I worked with were only too willing to help & I learned SO much from them!! I have had several EKG classes, but nothing teaches you like seeing it every single day-- which is what paramedics do. I would take the word of an experienced paramedic over the word of a new RN any day, thank you very much. I do think the nurses he describes are exceptions to the rule, however, and although there are two sides to every story, it sounds as though these nurses need education in reading EKGs.
Sep 23, '07Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 9,601; Likes: 3,188op said that the rns put down others because of the level of education
and in the next breath puts his 'partner' due her lack of education which was beneath his
i would really like to see her opinion of the 'partnership'
Sep 23, '07Occupation: Psychiatric nurse Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in OB/Psychology ; Joined: Aug '07; Posts: 17; Likes: 5