Asking this question for a family member. I used to be a nurse, no longer working as a nurse but is still in health care so I am very unfamiliar with the current process. My family member just found out he failed the clinical portion of nursing school. I remember back then, I really did not learn much from nursing school clinically. I learned a bit from my externship and the majority on the job. With this COVID pandemic, classes including clinical experience are converted to online. How is it possible for the school to fail someone who never sees a patient, receives the 1:1 preceptorship with a nurse, and learns the nursing skill?
This explains volumes. I am so sorry to interrupt your very important MEDICAL school research and have to explain things to us nursing peasants. Your post answered my question. He did not take responsibility for his failure because I am sure you have convinced him that nursing clinicals have far less value than the all mighty medical school rotations. Why is he even in nursing school? It seems like a complete waste of his time when he can be a doctor and look down his nose at the lowly nurses.
One again, if you have no constructive feedback, please save your time and my time.
I voiced my experience with nursing school...agree or not, it is my experience. Do I sit here and try to argue with you about your perspective and experience or how you look at things differently than me. My experience has nothing to do with my family's experience. We do not even go to the same school. So stop making assumption from my opinion on nursing school and really don't bother to waste your own time if you have nothing better to say. Don't you feel like your time will be better spend maybe volunteering or something? Because that would be how I rather spend my time to help people instead of sitting on an online forum and making ridiculous comments and assumptions. Where did I say lowly nurses huh? I said I learned nothing from my nursing school and a lot from the jobs. Don't get offended yourself and put words that I did not say....
Who cares about being new nurses or instructors? I had clinical instructors who were nurses before I was born (I'm in my 30s). I didn't learn the procedures they could train me for. No patients were readily available in a hospital.
Candicenguyen,
What do you want?
Are you trying to say new nurses are the same as experienced (older nurses)...There are exceptions...but overall, experienced nurses tend to know more.
Are you trying to say new nurses are the same as experienced (older nurses)...There are exceptions...but overall, experienced nurses tend to know more.
Of course, they know more than the new ones. I can have all the experts on Earth train me. If I can't follow instructions, that's a fail.
Let's go back to your family member. You need to check his work. Everything. If he uses ATI or other software, it will show you the history of his activity. Let's say his school and teachers suck. Why you didn't help him?
Ask his teachers. Check his work. Why are you afraid to ask them?
You are giving advice under an assumption that he did not do the work and fail LOL.
On 12/17/2020 at 9:07 PM, candicenguyen said:
I did not say whether he did his assignments or not...and you made the assumptions LOL.
On 12/19/2020 at 8:25 PM, candicenguyen said:
Before you all make an assumption about the person's fault.
On 12/19/2020 at 9:41 PM, candicenguyen said:
Why is it so hard to not give advice without making assumption. See the school attrition rate for your info ?♀️
On 12/21/2020 at 1:45 AM, candicenguyen said:
If you spend as much time to read through the post as you make assumptions about the student that would be rate. The school degree attrition is 50%...that says a lot about the school quality ?♀️
You have gone on for 3 pages of this thread telling people not to make assumptions, but you still have not gone into the specifics of why he failed clinical. We can not give you constructive feedback on if appealing is a viable option without knowing what occurred during the semester that caused the failure. I get that the school has a 50% attrition rate and may not be the best quality nursing school, but other students passed the class. What was the cause of his failure so that we can give you constructive feedback as how to proceed forward?
3 pages in and I still don't know what he did that caused him to fail. I can't give a valid solution if I don't even know the problem that needs solving.
What is your point? You should petition your state BON to have the clinical portion of nursing school removed since you didn't learn anything during clinicals during nursing school.
Due to Covid, your family member's school chose an alternative requirement to fulfill the clinical requirement for their class. Your family member failed to satisfactory pass those assignments causing them to fail. If you remove Covid from the equation and your family member was required to go to the hospital for clinicals, but on several occasions slept in and missed clinicals. Do you think that they would deserve to fail the clinical portion of the class?
Where does OP state that her relative skipped Clinicals?
I completed about 80% of my clinical assignments virtually this semester. These assignments included doing some virtual simulations and a heft amount of written papers with a heavy focus on research. I'm going to go ahead and assume the student in question did something similar (either online sims and or written papers). Ignore the fact that these assignments are in place of in-person clinicals. If this was just a regular portion of the class work, a student has no valid excuse not to do well then appeal a failing grade. You get out what you put in. If he was unable to complete the work according to the directions, then his failing grade was inevitable and unappealable. The fact that this was a clinical assignment as opposed to a class assignment is irrelevant.
We don't know yet why he failed. OP, why did he fail?
Dear God, can the human race ever have peace? Here it is, almost your Birthday. Presents are bought, fortunes have been spent, debt has piled up, and still people are fighting and arguing and tearing each others' hearts out.
Come back quickly, Lord Jesus. We need you so badly!
Side note, I had 2 virtual clinicals last semester and they were a complete waste of everyone’s time..
But, I sat there on my zoom call and followed along with the instructions on how to fill out our pretend electronic chart, listened to a brief discussion about the pretend patient, and moved on with life..
They barely have many rotations even before COVID time. They replace it with simulation. I already thought that was shady. The simulation should be an addition instead of a replacement.
On 12/19/2020 at 9:44 PM, candicenguyen said:
The problem with few nursing schools around here is they want to make money and graduate nurses. They don’t have enough clinical sites for them and try to compensate it with simulation.
FWIW I think you are 100% correct about these two things. It is shady. It's a racket.
I haven't read every reply, but I saw that you mentioned that medical school doesn't try to get away with this.
That is definitely a sore spot, but it has to do with the different ways the two professions are regarded. In addition, nursing has pretty much sold its soul, IMO, and made numerous terrible decisions with the direction of the "profession." THAT is why everyone from employers to schools of nursing to accrediting bodies shrug at the idea of nurses coming out of school without having touched a patient. We are regarded as "workers," not professionals, no matter what anyone says or wants to think. It is simply not important (to others) that we have high quality training. We don't care about it at the baccalaureate levels or the graduate levels. We are making a mockery of ourselves and it is going to catch up with us.
I understand what you mean in terms of "how can someone fail something when that thing was never even offered?" The problem is that it was allowed to be replaced with something else and that is what your family member is deemed to have failed. So s/he will simply need to use the processes available to see what can be done about this.
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One again, if you have no constructive feedback, please save your time and my time.
I voiced my experience with nursing school...agree or not, it is my experience. Do I sit here and try to argue with you about your perspective and experience or how you look at things differently than me. My experience has nothing to do with my family's experience. We do not even go to the same school. So stop making assumption from my opinion on nursing school and really don't bother to waste your own time if you have nothing better to say. Don't you feel like your time will be better spend maybe volunteering or something? Because that would be how I rather spend my time to help people instead of sitting on an online forum and making ridiculous comments and assumptions. Where did I say lowly nurses huh? I said I learned nothing from my nursing school and a lot from the jobs. Don't get offended yourself and put words that I did not say....