Asking this question for a family member. I used to be a nurse, no longer working as a nurse but is still in health care so I am very unfamiliar with the current process. My family member just found out he failed the clinical portion of nursing school. I remember back then, I really did not learn much from nursing school clinically. I learned a bit from my externship and the majority on the job. With this COVID pandemic, classes including clinical experience are converted to online. How is it possible for the school to fail someone who never sees a patient, receives the 1:1 preceptorship with a nurse, and learns the nursing skill?
A friend who is a college professor puts it this way. “School is not the place to f...k around and you are not the one with power.” There’s your answer.
Before you all make an assumption about the person's fault. Just FYI: the school attrition rate is 50%. This is a very sad figure OK. They barely have many rotations even before COVID time. They replace it with simulation. I already thought that was shady. The simulation should be an addition instead of a replacement. He passed his clinical portion pre-COVID time but failed during COVID.
If you all just make assumptions and have nothing better to say, please feel free to save your time instead of posting useless comments.
BTW, your college professor friend is sure someone legit to quote. I honestly don't give a **** what a random college professor has to say.
Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
23 minutes ago, candicenguyen said:
If you all just make assumptions and have nothing better to say, please feel free to save your time instead of posting useless comments.
You came onto an Internet forum asking for thoughts and advice. Just because you don’t agree with everything being said doesn’t mean they’re useless comments - people are literally giving you what you asked for. If you only wanted specific answers, you should have specified.
Just FYI: the school attrition rate is 50%. This is a very sad figure OK.
You also mentioned the NCLEX pass rate was 'not that great'. May be this failure was actually a blessing in disguise and he dodged a bullet investing too much time there. Hopefully, everything will be okay. Do you have plans for another school in place?
You came onto an Internet forum asking for thoughts and advice. Just because you don’t agree with everything being said doesn’t mean they’re useless comments - people are literally giving you what you asked for. If you only wanted specific answers, you should have specified.
Why is it so hard to not give advice without making assumption. See the school attrition rate for your info ?♀️
You also mentioned the NCLEX pass rate was 'not that great'. May be this failure was actually a blessing in disguise and he dodged a bullet investing too much time there. Hopefully, everything will be okay. Do you have plans for another school in place?
Thank you for not making an assumption. Unfortunately he is in his final semester, so he invested a bunch. The problem with few nursing schools around here is they want to make money and graduate nurses. They don’t have enough clinical sites for them and try to compensate it with simulation. I fortunately went to a university one so the quality is not as bad...even though in my opinion, I did not feel like it prepared me well enough for my first nursing job. I learned most on the job. Anyway, I feel bad for these students for failing out of school because of the school quality.
Asking this question for a family member. I used to be a nurse, no longer working as a nurse but is still in health care so I am very unfamiliar with the current process. My family member just found out he failed the clinical portion of nursing school. I remember back then, I really did not learn much from nursing school clinically. I learned a bit from my externship and the majority on the job. With this COVID pandemic, classes including clinical experience are converted to online. How is it possible for the school to fail someone who never sees a patient, receives the 1:1 preceptorship with a nurse, and learns the nursing skill?
TIA for any advice we can appeal to this result.
If a student doesn't invest time on clinical online, why do you expect the student does it in person?
If a student doesn't invest time on clinical online, why do you expect the student does it in person?
It's easier than in person.
If you spend as much time to read through the post as you make assumptions about the student that would be rate. The school degree attrition is 50%...that says a lot about the school quality ?♀️
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On 12/16/2020 at 8:09 PM, candicenguyen said:
With this COVID pandemic, classes including clinical experience are converted to online. How is it possible for the school to fail someone who never sees a patient, receives the 1:1 preceptorship with a nurse, and learns the nursing skill?
The student didn't correctly do the online clinical and/or courses to the expectation of the instructor/curriculum/program. Although online clinicals and courses may be new to many nursing programs because of covid, the students still have to abide by the grading system set forth by their instructors and curriculum even though this online curriculum is "freshly" made. Your family member should be able to go into detail as to WHY he failed. Did he fail the clinical portion? Was there a specific assessment in a online clinical or simulation that he failed? Or did he fail the coursework-testing portion? Did he not show up for one or two online lecture sessions? There is a lot missing to your story.
My FNP program is full online so I am all too familiar with how online "clinical" works. We call it simulation and it's part of our curriculum. In light of covid, we did do these "simulations" through zoom and of course, if you fail, then you fail the class. If you cannot show your instructor what you have learned and/or practiced, then that is grounds for you to fail. Our very first "simulation" was to do a advanced head-to-toe assessment before starting any clinical. If we couldn't do that, then you failed the class and have to restart. This would be your example of learning the nursing skill, never seeing a patient, but still failing the class.
If you spend as much time to read through the post as you make assumptions about the student that would be rate. The school degree attrition is 50%...that says a lot about the school quality ?♀️
That means the other 50% made it through just fine. My school has less than that attrition, but the students who made it through the program passed NCLEX on the first try (95%<).
What were the reasons your student failed the clinical? Was your student given another opportunity to repeat his or her clinical stimulations? Did he or she complete assignments? Did he or she come in on time virtually?
For my school, I had to repeat my clinical simulation until I passed the required minimum. I had to come online ahead of time. I had some technical difficulties, but I've never missed anything. When my instructors called me during this crisis, I picked up my phone right away letting them know that I had problems getting in. I screenshot to prove that I wasn't playing them. I took photos and sent them via SMS. Don't know what your student did.
If the nursing school specified that your student cannot repeat the simulation online (clinical online), I understand your frustration. I would try to compromise.
Before you all make an assumption about the person's fault. Just FYI: the school attrition rate is 50%. This is a very sad figure OK. They barely have many rotations even before COVID time. They replace it with simulation. I already thought that was shady. The simulation should be an addition instead of a replacement. He passed his clinical portion pre-COVID time but failed during COVID.
If you all just make assumptions and have nothing better to say, please feel free to save your time instead of posting useless comments.
BTW, your college professor friend is sure someone legit to quote. I honestly don't give a **** what a random college professor has to say.
Sorry to tell you this, I aced some hard classes with bad teachers. They weren't bad people; they were terrible at teaching the materials. Some students do need more time. I hope you'll find schools that are designed for your student.
Find out what's happening with your student. Call the instructors.
Your post sounds like just excuses. Why isn’t the student on here him or herself and explaining what happened? Some random professor has a lot more experience than you teaching random students and is pretty familiar with excuses. Be well.
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Before you all make an assumption about the person's fault. Just FYI: the school attrition rate is 50%. This is a very sad figure OK. They barely have many rotations even before COVID time. They replace it with simulation. I already thought that was shady. The simulation should be an addition instead of a replacement. He passed his clinical portion pre-COVID time but failed during COVID.
If you all just make assumptions and have nothing better to say, please feel free to save your time instead of posting useless comments.
BTW, your college professor friend is sure someone legit to quote. I honestly don't give a **** what a random college professor has to say.