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An Alabama doctor announced he would not treat patients who refused to get vaccinated against COVID-19 ...

Alabama Doctor Refuses to Treat Unvaccinated COVID Patients

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20 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I hear you and agree with you on many things.  Its all too common we see patients continue to disregard medical advice making life choices that lead to the need for immediate medical attention.  What's interesting is the attitude and response we are seeing to one particular disease.  

Most of us in health care have put ourselves in the position to be affected or infected by a patient making what we consider bad choices.  We don't hear much discussion about denying care for them.  We hear arguments like "diabetes isn't a VPD" or "smoking isn't contagious". 

We don't deny care for HIV patients (preventable and contagious disease)

We don't deny care for hep A and B patients (VPDs and contagious)

We don't deny care for people with HSV (preventable and contagious)

People pick COVID as the special disease to have a different attitude about.  ?

Perhaps you missed the point that diseased patients aren't the issue...unvaccinated patients are the issue. 

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This doctor is NOT REFUSING TO TREAT PATIENTS WITH COVID.

 

He has a medical practice and is refusing to accept patients to this practice who refuse to get vaccinated for COVID. 

 

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33 minutes ago, hherrn said:

This doc is not refusing to care for patients with a virus. 
 

He's refusing unvaccinated patients on the premise they will get it. 

He said "and I can’t watch them die like that,” 

How are they dying by not being unvaccinated? 

This is about doctors discriminating against patients based on life choices related to one specific disease

33 minutes ago, hherrn said:

These analogies don't relate to the doc in question.
This has nothing to do with whether or not somebody has Covid.

 

OK TECHNICALLY you're correct so let me reword the analogies to fit for you

We don't deny care to patients who don't wear condoms

We don't deny care to people who choose to take illicit IV drugs

We don't deny care to patients that don't practice abstinence

We don't deny care to patients that travel to foreign countries without taking recommended vaccines. 

"Dr. So n So if refusing patients not vaccinated against hepatitis because he/she can't watch people die like that"

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2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

That's illogical.  COVID is not the only infectious disease out there.  Denying care for children because they're a danger to others would mean no kids seeking treatment for an infectious disease can be seen.

Little Timmy has itchy bumps all over? Get out!

Susie has a runny nose and a fever? That could be a variety of infectious diseases. Get out!

You also made a statement that's alarming.  The doctor refuses the CHILD because the PARENT is anti-vax.  The child gets denied for a choice it had no control over.  Sure maybe they can "go somewhere else" but imagine if this idea of refusing treatment for people gained popularity. There would be fewer places to go with care being delayed.  

Are you serious? I take your response to suggest you condone that behavior. Do you?

 

You are on the record as being perfectly fine with unvaccinated health care workers treating very ill covid patients and going home to their families, some of whom are very young children. I take your posts to suggest you don't actually care for children as much as you claim.

 

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9 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

He's refusing unvaccinated patients on the premise they will get it. 

He said "and I can’t watch them die like that,” 

How are they dying by not being unvaccinated? 

This is about doctors discriminating against patients based on life choices related to one specific disease

OK TECHNICALLY you're correct so let me reword the analogies to fit for you

We don't deny care to patients who don't wear condoms

We don't deny care to people who choose to take illicit IV drugs

We don't deny care to patients that don't practice abstinence

We don't deny care to patients that travel to foreign countries without taking recommended vaccines. 

"Dr. So n So if refusing patients not vaccinated against hepatitis because he/she can't watch people die like that"

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Are you sure?

Is there a law that requires a medical provider to accept specific patients into their medical practice in your state? If a practice utilizes rights and responsibility as foundations for care contracts, the patient who breeches the contract will be excluded. 

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Doctors fire or refuse to take on patients for multiple reasons.

Some doctors do not accept patients on Medicare or who have no insurance.

Some will not accept patients who are attorneys, particularly personal injury attorneys.

Some will not accept pregnant patients who are 24 weeks or more pregnant who have not sought prenatal care prior to this time.

Some doctors will not accept patients needing a liver transplant who are still actively abusing drugs or alcohol.

Some doctors will "fire" patients for chronic noncompliance with treatment plans, for chronic tardiness or canceling of appointments, for nonpayment of treatment, for rude or obnoxious behavior, 

And some will not accept or will dismiss from their practice patients who are antivaxxers are whose parents refuse to allow the pediatrician involved to give their kids vaccines.

Some may see this as unethical; however, it is not illegal because none of the above-described people belong to a protected class.

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15 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

You are on the record as being perfectly fine with unvaccinated health care workers treating very ill covid patients and going home to their families, some of whom are very young children. I take your posts to suggest you don't actually care for children as much as you claim.

 

I see you side stepped my question ?

Do you advocate physicians refusing to care for children who's parents didn't get them vaccinated? Adults also? 

Putting words in my mouth. This is something people often do here when they have a failing argument. 

3 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

1. Some doctors do not accept patients on Medicare or who have no insurance.

2. Some will not accept patients who are attorneys, particularly personal injury attorneys.

3. Some will not accept pregnant patients who are 24 weeks or more pregnant who have not sought prenatal care prior to this time.

4. Some doctors will not accept patients needing a liver transplant who are still actively abusing drugs or alcohol.

5. Some doctors will "fire" patients for chronic noncompliance with treatment plans, for chronic tardiness or canceling of appointments, for nonpayment of treatment, for rude or obnoxious behavior, 

And some will not accept or will dismiss from their practice patients who are antivaxxers are whose parents refuse to allow the pediatrician involved to give their kids vaccines.

 

1. The patient isn't refused, their insurance is.  If the patient wants to pony up the cash or buy comercial insurance they'll get care from that specific doctor.  

2. Tell me more about that as I'm not familiar

3. That's really unfortunate.  I would support protections for the physician in that regard.  I don't see it as entirely similar to refuse all aspects of care for a patient based on a vaccine especially when they're not refusing patients for not having had other vaccines 

4. Big difference between giving a liver to someone actively abusing alcohol vs turning someone away for any type of health care because of a vaccine they didn't take. Refer back to my analogies

5. Not the same thing.  Firing a patient that presented with an ailment not following a treatment plan isn't the same as denying care from the start

 

 

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51 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

He's refusing unvaccinated patients on the premise they will get it. 

He said "and I can’t watch them die like that,” 

How are they dying by not being unvaccinated? 

This is about doctors discriminating against patients based on life choices related to one specific disease

OK TECHNICALLY you're correct so let me reword the analogies to fit for you

We don't deny care to patients who don't wear condoms

We don't deny care to people who choose to take illicit IV drugs

We don't deny care to patients that don't practice abstinence

We don't deny care to patients that travel to foreign countries without taking recommended vaccines. 

"Dr. So n So if refusing patients not vaccinated against hepatitis because he/she can't watch people die like that"

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The things you list above are all extremely hard for a physician, or anyone else to verify. I honestly have no clue how you could enforce a policy to not accept patients who don’t practice abstinence, so your examples aren’t very useful. But I’ll play along. Do you think that a person who never uses condoms, sitting in a doctor’s waiting room is somehow a threat to other patients siiting in the same waiting room due to their non-usage? 

You refuse to acknowledge that since we’re discussing an infectious, highly transmissible respiratory disease it’s actually a competely different thing from having unprotected sex. I suspect that if we had a pandemic of airborne chlamydia with a safe vaccine available, people refusing to get vaccinated against that infection probably wouldn’t be welcome in most hypothetical waiting rooms either. 

I think you are very keen to support the right of people doing whatever the hell they please, in this case not getting vaccinated, but very reluctant to accept that the choices we and they make have consequences. If a person wants to be able to sit in any waiting room they please, they can first choose to get vaccinated. Easy. It would seem that some people need to come to terms with the fact that their right to do whatever they please, does not automatically trump everyone else’s rights. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, jive turkey said:

He's refusing unvaccinated patients on the premise they will get it.

Exactly.  

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How are they dying by not being unvaccinated? 

They die when they become severely ill from Covid.  Obviously not all.

I am surprised at the folks who have a problem with this.  Seems like that camp is real big on personal choice.  He made one.

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So what about the donkey drug that republicans are pushing now, Ivermectin! 

Donkeys have never been seen to wear masks so they think it must be because of the drugs they take that makes them immune ?????

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2 hours ago, hherrn said:

1. Exactly.  

They die when they become severely ill from Covid.  Obviously not all.

2. I am surprised at the folks who have a problem with this.  Seems like that camp is real big on personal choice.  He made one.

1. You said he's not refusing people with the virus,  so what do you mean "exactly"

2. Being a doctor refusing to care for people you're competent enough to care for isn't the same argument as someone not wanting to be forced/compelled to take a drug

And you've still not answered my question. What's keeping you from saying you agree with a doctor having double standards refusing to see children who's parents didn't vaccinate them for one particular disease?

This is why I can't stand this whole situation and the rigid supporters of this vaccine.  People would agree with turning away an innocent child in need of a doctor to retaliate against the parent.  "they're putting other kids in the lobby at risk" is a poor excuse and in my opinion a lie.  COVID has proven to be a disease making people be cruel and hateful toward each other using a vaccine as a weapon to mistreat people or politics and conspiracies to be blatantly ignorant and defiant. 

Damn shame

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5 hours ago, Horseshoe said:

This doctor is NOT REFUSING TO TREAT PATIENTS WITH COVID.

 

He has a medical practice and is refusing to accept patients to this practice who refuse to get vaccinated for COVID. 

 

That's been established.  What's your point? You agree with that? 

Why single out one vaccination status to discriminate against?

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