I am not sure if it is true or not, but I heard that RNs get a little extra pay when they work on a day where nursing students are present. If the charge RN assigned a student to an RN, then they get the extra pay.
I am talking about college nursing students not training a new employee.
It just came on top of my head because I have been assigned to lousy RNs during my clinical rotations and it feels like they should be more engaged with students
This entire thread shows how nurses "eat their young".
Overused and inappropriate.
Find some other way to disagree that you think working nurses should be thrilled to have the additional responsibility of picking up the slack lazy, (and apparently overpaid) clinical instructors dump on the staff nurse caring for their student nurse's patient.
Find some other way to disagree that you think working nurses should be thrilled to have the additional responsibility of picking up the slack lazy, (and apparently overpaid) clinical instructors dump on the staff nurse caring for their student nurse's patient.
How do you think things can overused and become stereotypes? Maybe because there's actually something to it. The ironic thing is, I didn't get the NETY sense at all at the hospital during clnicals. It was only after reading posts like yours on this site.
I understand we are overworked and having someone following us all day expecting to teach them can be an extra stress, but let's not forget how that student feels.
I haven't forgotten what it's like to be a student. But I was supposed to be learning from my ON SITE clinical instructor. We were not there to use the nurses for our education. I remember all my clinical instructors. I don't remember any of the nurses because they were there taking care of their patients, not doing the job for a university with which they had no affiliation whatsoever.
Where are the instructors who are paid by these universities/nursing schools and why are they not on the floor at all times with their students?
Yes, I was a student once. The difference was that when I was a student, we weren't foisted on overburdened staff nurses. We had clinical instructors who were there to guide us.
Since you aren't a nurse, you have no idea what it's like to have a student nipping at your heels. Students are not as much help as they imagine themselves to be. Until you know what that kind of responsibility feels like, it would be best to spare us the lecture.
When you are in the ER and the patient is a trauma on the verge of death are you supposed to tell the student nurse every step you are doing to save that life because the student is eager to help(even though they probably won't be of much help)?
When it's put into that perspective her post is absolutely ludicrous IMO.
Wow, this one has lot's of comments. I didn't read them all so it's likely I'm repeating someone, but here's what I've noticed. The instructor has a group of students, drops 2 or 3 off per floor. Leaves, maybe checks in, maybe doesn't. Then you all go have your post conference. I enjoy having students so I don't mind, but really it is another task to complete. When I was in nursing school (I went to the University of Pittsburgh which is top rated) the instructor stayed with a group of 6 or 8 of us the entire time, had access to pyxis to give meds and was always present during med passes and helped us with out assessments, reading charts, etc. You are paying thousands of dollars to a school who is responsible for your education. I am willing to share knowledge, have a student follow me, perform some basic tasks, etc. But your experience is not my responsibility. And there are truly some days (lack of sleep, stressed out, busy assignment) when I don't have the will to teach you anything. I do it, but I do feel it's a way to shift costs and that always seems to fall hardest on the low man on totem poll. Which will be you if you intend to be a bedside nurse.
I don't think nurses get paid for having students on the floor for only one day, but they get extra pay if they preceptor a student. My preceptor in my pre-grad got paid $0.65 per dollar more when I was with her. I live in Toronto, Ontario (Canada).
She was wonderful and loved to teach. I don't think the incentive is much but it shows some sort of appreciation I guess ...
It made me sad to read so many negative comments on this thread towards teaching nursing students.
I understand we are swamped with work but it's not students' fault, they are just trying to learn.
I graduated not long ago and if I were to tel you the horrible experiences I had with mean nurses ...you have no idea how your negative attitude affects nursing students. Before you are rude or mean to one of them, let your supervision know that you do not welcome nursing students and believe me, they'll find someone else who is more willing.
I think you're taking it the wrong way, it's a matter of circumstance. Currently with the work-load that nurses in the U.S. have, the opportunity to provide a meaningful learning experience for students is extremely limited. Most of us wouldn't mind having students, I for one would love to have students, but as previously stated, if it were under different circumstances. If time were something we had more of, more of us would spend less time running around holding our bladders and missing breaks, and spend more time at bedside with our patients. Having a student isn't BAD, but it can at times make an already burdened nurse even more overwhelmed. To put it simply, we're not against having students, we're against the time constraints presented to us in addition to the expectation that we are to somehow make time to give students a good learning experience. I've had bad experiences with nurses, and I don't want to be that nurse, but sometimes we really do have to put our foot down for our PATIENT, especially if the patient is of a higher acuity and really demands our focus and full attention.
Letting my "supervision" know that I do not welcome nursing students won't have any effect at all on whether or not I am forced to work with one. Where on earth did you get the idea that it would?
Specializes in UR/PA, Hematology/Oncology, Med Surg, Psych.
Students: it's not that bedside nurses don't want to teach you but as others have said, we are so overwhelmed already. I LOVE teaching, I really do and I want the student to feel welcome and comfortable. And knowing my coworkers, they do to. BUT, there are a few issues that make it very difficult now days. I think part of the solution is communication.
First, I don't know you at all. I don't know what your studying, what you've already learned, what you're good or bad at, what your goals for the day are, etc. I don't even know what the plan with your CI is. Then add to that you don't know me or the floor. You also have no idea of my teaching style or what my expectations are. I have a full load of patients and we have no time to sit and discuss any of this so we aren't able to get on the same page so to speak. I don't know if I'm going over basic stuff with you that you already know or if you are more advanced. Only your "missing CI" knows. Secondly, since we don't know each other or have a set goal, everything is on the fly. I am responsible for my patients and remember, I don't know you. Therefore that causes a HUGE amount of stress and work for me because I have to review all you do, even if you're the smartest nursing student ever. Thirdly, your CI disappears. I don't know her/him or even what they look like. Lately it seems that they are either sitting in the cafeteria or have students on multiple units and can't be there for you, the student.
In LPN school a long time ago, my CI was on the same floor I was. We got report and told the nurse what I would be responsible for that day. The nurse and I were clear on the day's expectations and that my CI was to be present for all I did, unless checked off. I barely saw the actual nurse.
But years later when I went to RN school, the CI dropped us off in the AM and picked us up in the PM. We as students had no clear expectations for the day and probably drove the nurses nuts.
What you as students are seeing as NETY is just the stress and responsibility that your nurse for the day is experiencing.
Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
But don't discourage other students by telling them that we're a burden all the time.
I never have. This website is not real life. What I do and say here is not necessarily representative of my real life practice. But you DID ask. And make no mistake, if the nurse you're working with is good, then a student will ALWAYS add a sum total of work, not subtract. Yes, you may have done X for her, but she now has to do Y and Z, which she would not have had to do if a student wasn't with her.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy working with students. If I didn't, I wouldn't volunteer for it. It's not fair to the student to have a preceptor who doesn't want to be doing it. But yes, it IS more work. To me, it's a labor of love.
Mavrick, BSN, RN
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Overused and inappropriate.
Find some other way to disagree that you think working nurses should be thrilled to have the additional responsibility of picking up the slack lazy, (and apparently overpaid) clinical instructors dump on the staff nurse caring for their student nurse's patient.