Do Nurses Eat Their Young?

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We have all heard the saying "Nurses eat their young". Do you feel this is true?

Please feel free to read and post any comments that you have right here in this discussion

Thanks.

This article sums it up for me... ?

http://www.dcardillo.com/articles/eatyoung.html

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This vile expression implies that experienced nurses do not treat new nurses kindly. My first problem with the statement is that it’s a generalization implying that all nurses are like that. Interestingly, whenever I hear someone utter the expression, I always say, “I don’t do that. Do you?” The person making the statement always says, “Oh no, I don’t, but many others do.” I’ve never heard even one nurse own up to doing this, although some nurses are willing to indict the entire profession. Every time that statement is repeated, it causes harm and casts a dark shadow on every nurse. Say anything enough, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Please note that by moderator consensus some of the "Nurses Eat Their Young" posts will be referred to this thread where there can be an ongoing discussion, rather than several threads saying the same thing.

To students and new grads that are having problems with nurses, please take a moment to read the above link. Is it really the entire profession, every single nurse, or do you need help with one or a few nurses? We will be glad to help you in dealing with those people, but let bury the phrase "Nurses Eat Their Young".

To experienced nurses who claim our profession eats it's young, please take a moment to read it as well and think about it. Also take time to teach, be friendly and nurturing to the new nurse and students on your unit.

Originally posted by leighann757

I don't know what planet you are on, but new nurses are treated awful by more experienced nurses. ... So next time you treat a nurse awful, remember you may need that extra set of hands sooner than you think!! [/b]

I don't treat new nurses, or any nurses, poorly. Is that how you read my post????? I said that if someone is going to treat you badly, it's a function of who they are and not of their profession. It's very naive to expect behavior in nursing that is out of line with behavior in the general working population.

To those of you who embrace and perpetuate this very foolish stereotype, I invite you to reexamine what I said. We do nursing no favor by reciting this meaningless mantra. And I resent the above poster's categoric condemnation of all experienced nurses as some species of vulture. What *I* often see is a lack of tolerance of divergent opinions, witness the personal attacks in this thread for daring to go against the popular tide. I've already been accused of being awful to new nurses, jesting about a topic which I take very seriously, being terrible, discriminating against males, etc.

Do you not get it? If these things are happening, stop blaming nursing and do something about these dysfunctional *individuals*. Make people take personal responsibility for the actions they take. But I'm sure it's easier just to continue the same tired old cliches.

I don't think it's the mantra that does nursing a diservice, it's the behavior associated with it. I have seen and experienced more experienced nurses being horrible to new nurses. And I do think this is a serious problem, because the kind, nurturing, experienced nurses are not balancing out the "young-eaters" and we are losing a lot of new nurses.

It's not about a young naive students looking for Shangri La. In fact most of the students I graduated with had worked in other settings so they did have something to compare it to. Nursing is a lot worse on the new people than any other job I have ever had.

It just boils down to insecurity on the part of the b**ch monster.

A few reasonable questions innocently asked that you know the monster can't answer and it will slither back into its cave. That is its weak spot. Shoot it right in the brain............If you can locate it that is.

Give them the power in the most awkward situation and they will fail.

Yes, they eat their young, but the poor things are just leaping into its putrid jowels!...........One shot in the brain.that's all it takes.

B**ch monster slayer

You don't have to"be a young nurse" to be eaten...I have 18 years as an RN and went to ER about 2 years ago with a friend. We had no critical care or tele knowledge and most of the nurses there seemed out to eat us instead of nuture us into the ER!!

My friend was treated worse than I because she seemed more insecure at first. Usually she had always been the stronger personality of us and always so sure and confident.

My friend feels all nurses should be friendly and receptive to new staff...that is just unrealistic!

Fortunately, there was one EMT that really took us under his wing and if it wasn't for him...both of us may have left.

Now after 2 years we are training and nuturing new staff. Whenever we hear negative comments we reply maybe if you could show them how to .... they could improve faster!

I've even been known to say...don't c/o being short staffed if you're gonna run off all the new ones that come here!!

CANNABALISTIC PROFESSION. I NEVER HEARD OF MD'S EATING EACH OTHER IF ANYTHING THEY HAVE EACH OTHER'S BACK. WHILE SOME NURSES PREFER TO EAT EACH OTHER'S BACK. SPEAKING FROM WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Must agree with Catlady, this not a unique to nursing trait. I am positive this goes on in all walks of life. For those who have had to break in with such negative people I offer my condolences. I am lucky enough to work in a mostly positive atmosphere with mostly nice PEOPLE. (note: I said mostly, there are a holes everywhere)

I refuse the embrace or accept this horrendous, degrading description in the name of nursing or myself.

I think that in large part " eating their young" has been a long term problem. However, I believe it gets worse when there are stress factors already aggrivating the problem. Most units work short handed on very demanding units. Patients are sicker, families are more demanding. Some families are so bold they are not afraid to mention their attorneys. Insurance and medicare are paying less and less and expecting more to be done in a shorter length of time. Some units have such a high patient turn over that the patient that remain are in large part ( on the back burner). The demands are high and the stress levels are enormous. So some nurses bark at the closest person. People who know the barking nurse either bark back or ignore. But new nurses are so overwhelmed that they are not sure how to respond. New nurses for a large part of the problem, are in this reality shock, "it wasn't like this in nursing school." Some lack confidence in them selves. But, older nurses also don't admit or believe that there are clicks on units. The turn overs are so high. Older nurses seem to accept you the longer you stick with it. Nurses have to stick together and make the changes necessary to bring about better atmospheres that are pleasant to work in.

Remember to give someone a smile. It maybe they only one they get that day:)

Specializes in LDRP; Education.

In my opinion: YES.

As a student nurse, I have had the privilege of working with some wonderful nurses, who have really helped me to feel confident and supported. My guess is that most nurses are generally nice people who occasionally have bad days. Unfortunately for me, I have also run into the kind who anonymously call one's instructor to report things that never even happened as absolute fact. And they are nurses; why would they lie? So obviously I must be lying. Also had the misfortune of running into an adjunct instructor who had never taught before, hadn't been oriented to the units, didn't know how the computer system worked, couldn't read the pumps, and couldn't explain how to write a care plan. After five weeks of asking her questions, she finally exploded at me "what's your problem!?". I told her I wanted her to teach me the same material the students in the other clinicals were getting, so I would be on the same page they were the next semester. She started personally attacking me, I started crying. We hadn't been assigned patients yet, so I told her I needed to go home. Big mistake. Next day, I was no longer a nursing student. Kicked me out for abandoning my (imaginary) patient. I know I'm not perfect, and I rub people the wrong way sometimes. But they took a 3.95 GPA student, who writes great care plans and has good clinical skills, as well as excellent theraputic communication skills, 40 years old with 6 children, trying to escape an abusive husband, and tossed me in the trash. I didn't get to say a word in my defense, and there is no recourse at my school - the Nursing department can do whatever it wants. So now I am a nursing student in search of a school. I know that most of the nurses who visit this forum are really decent, hard-working, caring individuals. I have been reading your posts for quite a while now. But I do believe that some nurses "eat their young". I have watched my class as they have picked us off one by one - seven out of twenty-seven so far - and only one of them really couldn't wrap her mind around the way a nurse needs to think. It seems to me that nursing is a profession where, if we don't all hang together, we will all hang separately. How do you go about changing the climate so that people will want to and be able to become nurses and stay actively nursing? That is the question that truly needs to be answered.

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How do you go about changing the climate so that people will want to and be able to become nurses and stay actively nursing? That is the question that truly needs to be answered.

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How do I deal with it? I refuse to be a part of it. One day at a time I embrace my colleagues, nurture where I may be of assitance, and look for ways to keep myself nurtured and positive.

Let it start somewhere... let it begin with you.....

B.

Specializes in CV-ICU.

For each of you who say that "nurses eat their young", how many of you interfere with it happening and defend the nurse being eaten? How mny of you do stand up to the poisoned tongued nurse who is berating the new/inexperienced/less seasoned nurse? Only by standing up to witches each and every time will our profession lose this identity. We can not tolerate this type of behavior either individually or as a group; it is each and everyone of us' responsibility to do this each and every time it happens.

Specializes in Community Health Nurse.
originally posted by jenny p

for each of you who say that "nurses eat their young", how many of you interfere with it happening and defend the nurse being eaten? how mny of you do stand up to the poisoned tongued nurse who is berating the new/inexperienced/less seasoned nurse? only by standing up to witches each and every time will our profession lose this identity. we can not tolerate this type of behavior either individually or as a group; it is each and everyone of us' responsibility to do this each and every time it happens.

hi jenny p, :)

i go to bat for anyone i witness taking a verbal beating from another health care professional as long as the verbal lashing they are receiving is not warranted! :)

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