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D grade, E grade, band 5 and all that rubbish

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Hi

During agenda for change all the D and E grade nurses on my ward were put into band five, i am a D grade, anyway, the E grades appealed and won this week so they are going to be put into band 6, thats great for them but it presents me with a dilemma really, i feel that i do an E grade role, i dont do anything different to the E grades at all, infact when i am on with an E grade at night i usually end up being in charge of the shift anyway, i am usually scheduled on shift with bank staff, so am often the only ward nurse on the shift. We are a renal ward and to be alone on my ward you must have dialysis training. At my appraisal last week my ward manager told me that she saw me as a senior nurse on the ward, so i wondered if anyone here has some suggestions about how to put my case forward to be moved to a E grade, at the moment we have a non recruitment policy in the hospital (as most do )

I am only asking as i need to get it right, even if it is just to persaude my boss we need some more E grades on the ward really...

cheers

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Get your JD out re read it see what is missing from the E- grades / band six nothing I bet if they are the same then they will score the same so you cold put in an appeal I am surprised that your E- grades have been put on band six as to be placed on a different band fom the d grades they must have shown that there role is vastly different! Hope this helps

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XB9S has 22 years experience and specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.

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EN is it too late for you to appeal your banding, that may be one option. If it is then it may be that you need to speak to your HR department about regrading.

I think though (and it may just be the cynic in me) that you will probably find that you will be told that you need to wait for a band 6 to come up and then apply. The alternative is that work to your JD does it specify that you take charge, what is the difference between band 5 and 6 JD.

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english_nurse specializes in renal,peritoneal dialysis, medicine.

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on grade d is says expected to take charge sometimes, on the e grade one its says in charge regularly

i think the e grades needed 40 points more to get a band 6 and they managed to find them which im sure i could find for the d grades to be honest if i had too, its just the d grades havent bothered appealing... until now maybe?!?

i will look into it a bit more

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cheshirecat specializes in midwifery, gen surgical, community.

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Document how often you are in charge. If it is a regular occurence take it to your manager and ask why you are a band 5, even though you have dialysis training.

If you get no joy from your manager, than stick to your job discription and ask your manager to roster a band 6 to work with you on nights.

I feel AFC was a big public relations exercise. Why expect you to work to a higher band then you are being paid for.:angryfire :angryfire

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Yeah, I know what it's like being given a lot of responsibilities. Most of our D grades still take the ward anyway due to staff shortage, where most of the time they work with agency nurses and still end up doing everything because agency nurses can't do IV's!

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madwife2002 has 26 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.

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Have you done the renal course I know we had to have the renal course to be able to get to E and F grades?

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Silverdragon102 has 30 years experience as a BSN and specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

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do you know I remember all this trouble when they fetched the grading in in 1988 and that caused no end of problems and took years to sort out :nono:

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english_nurse specializes in renal,peritoneal dialysis, medicine.

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Have you done the renal course I know we had to have the renal course to be able to get to E and F grades?

on my ward it wasnt a requirement to do the renal course to be an e grade only two of the sisters have it, we do in house training for capd/line management which takes 3 weeks and an extra course (in house again) in the renal unit to learn neck/femoral line management ie taking bloods and stuff.

i am working on it......

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AZ hopeful specializes in ITU, Surg, District & School Nurse.

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My wage slip states F grade but I am still only Band 5:bluecry1:, same as my last post which was in a different PCT- will not get a band 6 until I do my degree!

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RGN1 specializes in med/surg.

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Sounds like you need to go through your JD with a fine toothcomb. If you're doing the same as the nurses on the banding above you & you can prove it then they should give you your rightful band. Although there's such a crossover in pay that they could probably do it & you still wouldn't get a penny more anyhow!

Our hospital has decided not to even get involved in AfC, being private they can do that. So I'm still classed as an "E" grade, the "D" grades are never in charge, ever.

However, my pay is on the lower end of the scale of AfC so it's quite possible that an NHS "D" grade on the higher levels could be getting more than me. however, I don't have to take patients when in charge & when I'm on the ward the max I get is 5 so I'll keep my job thanks, even if the pay is not brill & we're not affiliated to AfC!

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When was in te UK I was a work place convening and was a welsh board member with the RCN- All in my own time of course! I saw flaws in A4c and worked hard to try for members by the end I felt totally burnt out- and I am not missing all of that one l bit :)

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