CRT Banned in Colorado School District after Fathers powerful speech

nursej22, MSN, RN · Aug 22, 2021

15 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

15 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

"CRT is a philosophy of hyper-racialization that looks to radically transform our “inherently racist” society, including children. Under CRT, Martin Luther King’s dream is abolished, as racial identification is mandatory, and white children are taught self-loathing and black children to embrace victimhood. Like a religion, it is unfalsifiable, elevates subjective experience above objective reality, and crumbles under intellectual scrutiny."

Okay, maybe I'm just dense here, but I still don't understand what you think Critical Race Theory is, or where it is taught.

Is it acceptable to teach about slavery in K-12? And not the sanitized version that has enslaved people singing joyfully in the fields, and being grateful for the kindness of owners. This is not teaching about self-loathing, or victimhood.

Is it acceptable to learn about the KKK and Jim Crow?

Is it acceptable to learn about the genocide of indigenous peoples and the theft of their lands?

I went to school more than 40 years ago and I learned about this stuff then. I also learned about race wars in my county that drove out African Americans and Asians. And that local Native Americans has their children forcibly removed and sent to boarding schools to erase their heritage.

Yeah, the past is ugly, but we study it so that we can avoid repeating it. Unfortunately, in this country, too many people don't care. They would rather throw around terms they don't understand and threaten school board members.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 22, 2021

1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

I can actually feel emotions while simultaneously having the intelligence to see the fallacies of CRT. And CRT is being taught at many K-12 schools.

You keep saying that CRT is being taught k-12 and that makes it appear that you do not know what CRT actually is. The article in the Atlantic and the Illigical Liberal are about a book, one author's opinion about race called White Fragility. They are not articles about CRT.

Joe Messina is an interesting and inflammatory character. I stopped taking the opinions of right wing radio personalities seriously before Trump came on the scene. You agree with him on this eh?

I'm still going with the evidence that leans toward you not understanding CRT and instead responding to the emotional messaging about CRT in your preferred media.

Daisy4RN · Aug 22, 2021

All it takes is a Google search to see that CRT is being taught to children. Although you probably need to use a different search engine than "Google".

I have no problem with actually history being taught age appropriately, but as I said CRT goes way beyond just history and is also not age appropriate. Even at college level it is harmful to our society because of the way they are teaching, college used to be the place for open dialogue, not so much anymore. People should never be judged by the color of their skin!! All it takes is a little research, it is not difficult.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-xi-van-fleet-critical-race-theory-china-cultural-revolution-loudoun

https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-korean-defector-ivy-league-nuts

https://floridianpress.com/2021/07/critical-race-theory-is-being-taught-in-k-12-schools-first-lady-biden-supports-it

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2021/05/critical-race-theory-in-wisconsin-k12-education

toomuchbaloney · Aug 22, 2021

27 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

All it takes is a Google search to see that CRT is being taught to children. Although you probably need to use a different search engine than "Google".

I have no problem with actually history being taught age appropriately, but as I said CRT goes way beyond just history and is also not age appropriate. Even at college level it is harmful to our society because of the way they are teaching, college used to be the place for open dialogue, not so much anymore. People should never be judged by the color of their skin!! All it takes is a little research, it is not difficult.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-xi-van-fleet-critical-race-theory-china-cultural-revolution-loudoun

https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-korean-defector-ivy-league-nuts

https://floridianpress.com/2021/07/critical-race-theory-is-being-taught-in-k-12-schools-first-lady-biden-supports-it

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2021/05/critical-race-theory-in-wisconsin-k12-education

Your Google search results show several things but CRT being taught in public k-12 schools is not one of them. It shows that all of your top sources are conservative sources not accurate sources. It shows that there is a bunch of feelings about CRT in conservative circles. Emotions.

It really appears that you are upset about this because you've been told to be upset.

guest1163268 · Aug 22, 2021

13 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

If you mean emotional because I care about the emotional and psychological well being of kids (and also adults) than I guess it is and I won't apologize for that! That said, I can actually feel emotions while simultaneously having the intelligence to see the fallacies of CRT. And CRT is being taught at many K-12 schools. Many people beside me can also see the fallacies and harmful repercussions of CRT. But thats OK I already know your style, call them "emotional" and pretend their sites are not valid. Nice try but no dice here!!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146

https://therealside.com/2021/04/debunking-critical-race-theory-with-fact

https://thelogicalliberal.com/white-fragility

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ty-smith-father-viral-video-critical-race-theory-school-board-nonsense-vi

I know that there are some racist people out there and probably always will be. We can and should do what we can in any given situation. But IMO CRT will only do more harm than good by further dividing us. Maybe the bigger problem is the elitist class who could care less about all of us working/middleclass people.

This article mainly blames Dems but of course some Reps are also guilty of not standing up for we the people.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-obama-hillary-democratic-party-victor-Davis-hanson

Why is that surprising?

Liberals will always be more wealthy than republicans! They are more educated and being liberal, will obviously possess more ideas and be more inclusive, promulgating even further access to better ideas and concepts and being educated, will read more and so on and so on!

Close minded people simply doesn't prosper and even when they do, they have no ideas re how to enjoy their money or success, because of all the heads they climbed upon. They are relegated to small like minded circles and then their egos and insecurities run rampant! They always want attention and credit and with increased scrutiny comes increasing responsibilities!

Do you think for a second that trump or Steve Bannon or a Steven Miller etc can belong to any organization without scorn or derision? Now think of a single liberal that couldn't walk into any establishment incl a republican establishment and not be bothered! Confidence, self esteem and a super ego! Liberals have cornered the market!. The problem is that republicans can't win interlectualy, so they like guns and force and threats etc. Voter suppression, gerrymandering, Insurrections, guns, intimidation, misogyny, racism, etc etc.

Kitiger, RN · Aug 22, 2021

12 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Yeah, the past is ugly, but we study it so that we can avoid repeating it.

Yes, yes! We study history (all the ugly facts) so that we can avoid repeating it!

toomuchbaloney · Aug 23, 2021

7 minutes ago, KMNg said:

I am glad that you are aware of Evergreen incident. Even adult students could become racially divided over a "Day of Absence". I don't know how high school students can manage to stay empathetic and fair to one another when CRT is taught to them.

You haven't proven that CRT is taught anywhere within the k-12 public school system...you simply believe that it is true without any evidence...like religious faith.

I guess that you haven't noticed that conservative Americans are routinely upset about some cultural issue that is poorly defined but also an immediate threat to something. Dr Suess, Mr Potato head, the war on Christmas, kneeling during the anthem, immigration, abortion...there are so many emotional triggers used to manipulate the targeted audience. CRT is a nothing burger...it's covfefe...

If you don't believe that, then you ought to be able to define it and tell me exactly where it's taught and for what purpose. My guess is that you can't do either.

I'm sorry that white people are so easily offended.

allnurses Guide · Aug 24, 2021

On 8/22/2021 at 5:28 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

You haven't proven that CRT is taught anywhere within the k-12 public school system...you simply believe that it is true without any evidence...like religious faith.

I guess that you haven't noticed that conservative Americans are routinely upset about some cultural issue that is poorly defined but also an immediate threat to something. Dr Suess, Mr Potato head, the war on Christmas, kneeling during the anthem, immigration, abortion...there are so many emotional triggers used to manipulate the targeted audience. CRT is a nothing burger...it's covfefe...

Halloween, Tinky Winky the Teletubby...

It's not even difficult to spot this manufactured hysteria. It' easy enough to look up the entire history of "critical race theory" where the whole thing started, within philosophy of law academic publications. Around 25 years ago.

Granted, I doubt any of them wrote their papers with the Fox News audience in mind, their esoteric language is hard for anyone to decipher.

So yes, once the thing makes the jump to popular political culture it's a free-for-all of definitions, as we've seen, people who proffer distorted definitions will very often cite sources who likewise employ distorted definitions.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Aug 24, 2021

On 8/21/2021 at 9:52 PM, Daisy4RN said:

If you mean emotional because I care about the emotional and psychological well being of kids (and also adults) than I guess it is and I won't apologize for that! That said, I can actually feel emotions while simultaneously having the intelligence to see the fallacies of CRT. And CRT is being taught at many K-12 schools. Many people beside me can also see the fallacies and harmful repercussions of CRT. But thats OK I already know your style, call them "emotional" and pretend their sites are not valid. Nice try but no dice here!!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146

https://therealside.com/2021/04/debunking-critical-race-theory-with-fact

https://thelogicalliberal.com/white-fragility

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ty-smith-father-viral-video-critical-race-theory-school-board-nonsense-vi

I know that there are some racist people out there and probably always will be. We can and should do what we can in any given situation. But IMO CRT will only do more harm than good by further dividing us. Maybe the bigger problem is the elitist class who could care less about all of us working/middleclass people.

This article mainly blames Dems but of course some Reps are also guilty of not standing up for we the people.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-obama-hillary-democratic-party-victor-Davis-hanson

I haven't seen any evidence that "CRT" is being "taught" to elementary or secondary students. When you can show me that, I will care a crap. I'm very happy for the man in the Youtube video but I don't see any evidence that CRT is being taught in his school. It's an abstract theory - JUST a theory that is waaaay above the paygrade of secondary students. It is taught in grad schools as a THEORY...not truth. Students and mull it over and accept or deny it. My personal opinion that it's a piece of crap and I dismiss much of it, but that doesn't mean that I don't think all these parents who have been riled up my conspiracy theorists at Fox, aren't just peeing into the wind. Putting more black writers in the library and into the curriculum isn't teaching CRT. This is a bunch of hysteria over nothing among people who don't have anything more important to think about.

GordonGekko, MSN · Aug 29, 2021

On 8/22/2021 at 12:04 AM, nursej22 said:

Okay, maybe I'm just dense here, but I still don't understand what you think Critical Race Theory is, or where it is taught.

Is it acceptable to teach about slavery in K-12? And not the sanitized version that has enslaved people singing joyfully in the fields, and being grateful for the kindness of owners. This is not teaching about self-loathing, or victimhood.

Is it acceptable to learn about the KKK and Jim Crow?

Is it acceptable to learn about the genocide of indigenous peoples and the theft of their lands?

I went to school more than 40 years ago and I learned about this stuff then. I also learned about race wars in my county that drove out African Americans and Asians. And that local Native Americans has their children forcibly removed and sent to boarding schools to erase their heritage.

Yeah, the past is ugly, but we study it so that we can avoid repeating it. Unfortunately, in this country, too many people don't care. They would rather throw around terms they don't understand and threaten school board members.

Slavery? Yes lets go into detail about how the Africans enslaved the Jews, still enslave each other in Sudan, and sold their own kind into slavery to the United States. Lets also cover the topic of Irish enslavement. Teach children how slavery has been going on for thousands of years and isn't isolated to any single race.

Teach about the KKK the racist strongarm sect of the democratic party. Jim Crow laws which have long been abolished need to be taught.

Teach about Native Americans and how they were constantly warring between tribes and "stealing land" while committing genocide. Teach about Colonialism and how people settled here for a better life.

What we shouldn't teach is racist rhetoric from black supremacists like Ibram Kendi or that White Fragility woman. Do not teach that racism is ingrained in society or any specific race is more racist than another. Do not teach that "whiteness" is inherently racist.

History has always been taught in school. Nobody is arguing against teaching history. We are fighting teaching hatred. Everyone is equal in America and opportunity is everywhere.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 29, 2021

42 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:

Slavery? Yes lets go into detail about how the Africans enslaved the Jews, still enslave each other in Sudan, and sold their own kind into slavery to the United States. Lets also cover the topic of Irish enslavement. Teach children how slavery has been going on for thousands of years and isn't isolated to any single race.

Teach about the KKK the racist strongarm sect of the democratic party. Jim Crow laws which have long been abolished need to be taught.

Teach about Native Americans and how they were constantly warring between tribes and "stealing land" while committing genocide. Teach about Colonialism and how people settled here for a better life.

What we shouldn't teach is racist rhetoric from black supremacists like Ibram Kendi or that White Fragility woman. Do not teach that racism is ingrained in society or any specific race is more racist than another. Do not teach that "whiteness" is inherently racist.

History has always been taught in school. Nobody is arguing against teaching history. We are fighting teaching hatred. Everyone is equal in America and opportunity is everywhere.

Your misinformation and partisan hysteria about teaching the history of racism in the USA is noted.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Aug 29, 2021

@GordonGeckko, thank you for your version of what history should be taught in K-12.

I suppose you definition of Critical Race Theory (which is taught in graduate school) is "racist rhetoric from black supremacists like Ibram Kendi or that White Fragility woman." " racism is ingrained in society or any specific race is more racist than another" "whiteness" is inherently racist".

Whatever.

But what K-12 school is actually teaching this? In my state, the curriculum is viewable online, and I don't see anything about teaching racism.