Covid Vaccine

toomuchbaloney · Dec 18, 2020

Pfizer, U.S. Wrangle Over Vaccine Pace While Working Toward Pact

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The wrangling during the first week of the vaccine’s rollout came as other supply questions emerged. Some governors complained this week that their allocations of the vaccine are less than what they expected. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis said his state had a shortfall he blamed on what he said were production issues at Pfizer. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar made similar claims in a briefing Wednesday.

Pfizer, however, said that it has not experienced production issues. In a statement Thursday, the company said it shipped all 2.9 million doses of the vaccine the U.S. had allotted so far, and has millions more doses in warehouses ready to send. Those include doses being held for a required second shot, as well as a new batch set for delivery over the coming week.

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Pfizer didn’t take money from Operation Warp Speed for the research and development of its Covid-19 vaccine or to build out manufacturing capacity, but Slaoui said in the latest round of discussions the company was asking for the government’s help. He said Pfizer has asked the U.S. to exercise the Defense Production Act in order to get additional equipment and materials, such as tube filters and chemicals, so it can scale up quickly and deliver the additional doses in the second quarter of 2021.

It's this Trump's incompetence or is it his vindictive nature? What we do know is that if Trump's team says something the odds are high that the something is a lie.

allnurses Guide · Dec 18, 2020

On 12/5/2020 at 8:48 AM, Jack Peace said:

That's the problem, the report was censored and removed because it goes against the narrative of we should all live in fear of each other forever and ever. The scientific medical technocracy are not people who are open minded and willing to accept other ideas.

Is this the report being discussed?

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

https://drive.Google.com/file/d/1Tnb1a8TXHj_jJCM2BDfGSriUgdn-2gec/view

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The MS in Applied Economics hosted a friendly conversation on a morose topic on November 11, 2020. This presentation was led by Dr. Genevieve Briand, MS in Applied Economics Assistant Program Director. Genevieve went over where the data could be accessed and downloaded. Together with her, event attendees were invited to think critically about the data presented. This webinar looked at very simple statistics; nonetheless, it shed light on the COVID-19 situation. Please note: Dr. Briand’s views expressed here have not been peer-reviewed. Her statements are not the views of the Krieger School of Arts and Sciences or of Johns Hopkins University.

Jack Peace · Dec 19, 2020

Yes that is the presentation that examines the U.S. cause of death data from 2014 to Nov 2020. Listen, I don't care about peer reviews, so called "experts" opinion on this, this is simply the data from the CDC that gives the leading 7-8 causes of death by disease/comorbidity. What the presenter points out that I believe is very pertinent is:

-deaths in U.S. is seasonal. Peaks the same time each year approximately.

-some years are worse than others.

-a key fact from the data is that when an increase in total deaths occurs from the "average" deaths, every single disease is also noted to increase. For example if one season is particular deadly, you will ALSO see increased deaths from heart disease, diabetes, resp, strokes, kidney disease for that season.

- the data so far from the covid season tells a different story: yes there is an increased in total deaths by about 10-20,000 above average, but there is a marked decrease in deaths from ALL conditions other than covid-19.

You can analyze the data how you want, you don't have to be an epidemiologist or a scientist to understand this data and analyze it in a responsible way. I'm sure there will be a few on here who will say "this has been debunked" or claim I am not Dr fauci so I have no authority to talk about Covid. But the data is on the CDC website.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 19, 2020

LOL at the notion that covidiots haven't already misinterpreted and confused data. It's been pretty evident that some people are not capable of analyzing the data and developing sound conclusions.

NurseBlaq · Dec 19, 2020

Wait..... Is this thread at the point of conflating the flu with covid now? *exits thread*

Jack Peace · Dec 19, 2020

7 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

Wait..... Is this thread at the point of conflating the flu with covid now? *exits thread*

Nobody said anything about the flu. Why are you avoiding the obviously misleading data about total deaths in relation to Covid?

Jack Peace · Dec 19, 2020

On 12/15/2020 at 11:46 PM, TimF said:

I bet the 300,000 dead Americans would gladly have taken the vaccine if it was offered to them. Seriously people don’t want it, don’t take it. Quit jabbering on here melodramatically about your qualms. All it does it stir the pot. All I can say is if you get covid after not getting the vaccine, stay home and don’t go to the hospital and take up a bed that someone who would have gladly taken the vaccine could use. I’m so sick of the “oh I don’t know if I’ll get it, it hasn’t been tested long enough.” This is as large as any phase three trial ever has been. We ant afford to study it for 5 years, people of all ages are dying everyday.

Unfortunately, people of all ages do die on a daily basis. That is a part of life. Sadly. But if you meant that people of all ages are dying from Covid, then you are incorrect. It's mostly 65+ who are dying. Children are six times less likely to die from Covid than they are to die from influenza.

NurseBlaq · Dec 19, 2020

5 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

Nobody said anything about the flu. Why are you avoiding the obviously misleading data about total deaths in relation to Covid?

Says this........

1 minute ago, Jack Peace said:

Unfortunately, people of all ages do die on a daily basis. That is a part of life. Sadly. But if you meant that people of all ages are dying from Covid, then you are incorrect. It's mostly 65+ who are dying. Children are six times less likely to die from Covid than they are to die from influenza.

Then this is the very next post......

Any questions?

HiddencatBSN, BSN · Dec 19, 2020

I got the Pfizer vaccine, first dose, on Thursday. I am comfortable with the development (massive resources for vaccine development like this is unprecedented and seeing the scientific community pool their vast knowledge together and do the amazing when given the things they need was inspiring), comfortable with what I've read about this vaccine and other mRNA applications we have.

I am really concerned by what we are seeing with the long-term effects of getting COVID. I'm in a demographic that likely survives, but the data on long term effects that we are seeing is very worrisome. Lung damage, strokes, cardiac issues, memory issues... I personally know people who have survived COVID who are facing long-term changes in their function. In the US our government has proven itself unwilling to manage the pandemic with social and economic support to promote the ability for people to truly social distance and limit contact, so vaccination seems like the only way out.

From a risk-benefit standpoint, potential unknown long term risks versus known and serious risks of getting COVID itself, getting the vaccine seemed far less risky.

I get my second shot in about 3 weeks.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 19, 2020

38 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

Unfortunately, people of all ages do die on a daily basis. That is a part of life. Sadly. But if you meant that people of all ages are dying from Covid, then you are incorrect. It's mostly 65+ who are dying. Children are six times less likely to die from Covid than they are to die from influenza.

The data doesn't support your claim. You have offered no proof, only your opinion. It really gets tiresome, debunking the nonsense that is spread about this pandemic.

Debunked COVID-19 myths survive online, despite facts
By Amanda Seitz and Beatrice Dupuy | AP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/debunked-covid-19-myths-survive-online-despite-facts/2020/12/17/0260e554-4086-11eb-b58b-1623f6267960_story.html

HiddencatBSN, BSN · Dec 19, 2020

On 12/15/2020 at 12:32 AM, Thanksforthedonuts said:

There is no way I will get that vaccine. I am willing to move states or change careers if needed. I've had some side effects from other vaccines and am fairly cautious about them.

Big pharma doesn't care about me, they care about the money. Healthcare is a business. Just look at everyone in HR at your places of work. You're telling me they actually care about you? Scientists can be bought out just like politicians can. The flu shot is such an awesome money maker for vaccine companies. Now they have a second vaccine that they can bank on *annually*. Just imagine how much money this brings them...

I'm curious how many people actually read the vaccine pamphlets? The mass push for the flu shot for children, pregnant women, and healthy adults is not indicated by the information pamphlet that comes with the vaccine.

So many people blindly follow others without every questioning their intentions. It's terrifying.

This vaccine is a HELL no for me.

I never understand the obsession among antivaxxers with vaccine pamphlets. They're certainly not the be-all end-all of the collected research on a particular vaccine. Give me a pubmed systematic review over a package insert any day.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27603545/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31865602/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28024955/

But as far as money driving people's intentions, what a bad career move it would be to do faulty research on purpose. Papers get unpublished and credentials get withdrawn over that.

MunoRN, RN · Dec 19, 2020

1 hour ago, Jack Peace said:

Yes that is the presentation that examines the U.S. cause of death data from 2014 to Nov 2020. Listen, I don't care about peer reviews, so called "experts" opinion on this, this is simply the data from the CDC that gives the leading 7-8 causes of death by disease/comorbidity. What the presenter points out that I believe is very pertinent is:

-deaths in U.S. is seasonal. Peaks the same time each year approximately.

-some years are worse than others.

-a key fact from the data is that when an increase in total deaths occurs from the "average" deaths, every single disease is also noted to increase. For example if one season is particular deadly, you will ALSO see increased deaths from heart disease, diabetes, resp, strokes, kidney disease for that season.

- the data so far from the covid season tells a different story: yes there is an increased in total deaths by about 10-20,000 above average, but there is a marked decrease in deaths from ALL conditions other than covid-19.

You can analyze the data how you want, you don't have to be an epidemiologist or a scientist to understand this data and analyze it in a responsible way. I'm sure there will be a few on here who will say "this has been debunked" or claim I am not Dr fauci so I have no authority to talk about Covid. But the data is on the CDC website.

The CDC data you're arguing supports your claim appears to contradict your claim.

You're correct that total deaths has a normal range of variation, and that there are predictable seasonal changes, but it's not currently within the normal range, and even if we take into account Covid-19 deaths, there is still significant excess mortality well above normal variation, which suggests Covid-19 deaths are being undercounted, not overcounted or non-existent.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 (CDC.gov)