Covid Vaccine

[Nurseybl06]

I’m sure you all know about the COVID vaccine and the plan to first vaccinate healthcare workers. How does everyone feel about this vaccine ? I personally do not want it..Where are the long term studies. IDK it’s worrisome to me that it will prob be mandated for us 

[Marc Goodman, BSN]

2 hours ago, CourtBSN said:

What bothers me is when people say they won't get the vaccine because they don't know the "long-term effects" yet. Fine, that's agreeable when the world is not in a devastating pandemic and the only way to go back to some ~normalcy~ will be to vaccinate. By the time we know the "long-term effects", hundreds of thousands more people will be dead.

Also, we certainly do not know the long-term effects of having had COVID-19 either. For all we know, all COVID survivors may have end stage lung disease in 5 years.

That's just my opinion. Trust the science.

What we do know is the short term effects of covid-19.  Respiratory difficulty/failure, stroke, loss of smell/taste, death, etc.  One of my co-workers still can't smell/taste anything.  Her husband recently came off supplemental oxygen.  Not to mention the side effect of death.  My hospital lost our Rabbi, a 32 year old security guard, as well as quite a few other employees.  Not to mention all the patients that needed to be put in refrigerated trucks because our morgue which had more than overflowed.  I'd rather take a vaccine that has so far proved safe and effective than risk a disease that we know as a fact has dire consequences.    

[Nurse SMS, MSN, RN]

2 hours ago, CourtBSN said:

What bothers me is when people say they won't get the vaccine because they don't know the "long-term effects" yet. Fine, that's agreeable when the world is not in a devastating pandemic and the only way to go back to some ~normalcy~ will be to vaccinate. By the time we know the "long-term effects", hundreds of thousands more people will be dead.

Also, we certainly do not know the long-term effects of having had COVID-19 either. For all we know, all COVID survivors may have end stage lung disease in 5 years.

That's just my opinion. Trust the science.

Excellent point.

[BSN2DNPFNP]

On 11/13/2020 at 3:03 PM, macawake said:

Even though I am personally statistically low risk, I have elderly grandparents who aren’t. I have patients and a few coworkers who aren’t. I’m sure that I meet other people in my daily life who aren’t. To me the peace of mind of posing less of a risk to them is worth a lot.

This pandemic has caused hardship for many. Both health related and financial. If a vaccine with reasonable effectiveness becomes available, I welcome it. 

I agree with the caution in high risk individuals.  Hence, these individuals are those that I would probably not recommend the vaccine to initially.  I would want to see long term use of the vaccine on healthy individuals first. Would you agree on this, just curious?   

I also welcome a vaccine to eliminate or decrease this virus, and hopefully get us back to a somewhat normal life.  I don’t, however, feel comfortable pushing or encouraging other in getting the vaccine, not just yet anyway. 

[BSN2DNPFNP]

5 hours ago, CourtBSN said:

What bothers me is when people say they won't get the vaccine because they don't know the "long-term effects" yet. Fine, that's agreeable when the world is not in a devastating pandemic and the only way to go back to some ~normalcy~ will be to vaccinate. By the time we know the "long-term effects", hundreds of thousands more people will be dead.

Also, we certainly do not know the long-term effects of having had COVID-19 either. For all we know, all COVID survivors may have end stage lung disease in 5 years.

That's just my opinion. Trust the science.

I think you make a great point. I was watching a news interview recently in which they were discussing side effects that individuals are still experiencing long after they were diagnosed with COVID-19.  We still don’t know how long any of these symptoms will last.  What if they are life-long?  Perhaps in that case, getting the vaccine does not sound so risky. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, BSN2DNPFNP said:

I think you make a great point. I was watching a news interview recently in which they were discussing side effects that individuals are still experiencing long after they were diagnosed with COVID-19.  We still don’t know how long any of these symptoms will last.  What if they are life-long?  Perhaps in that case, getting the vaccine does not sound so risky. 

This is congruent with my thinking. The inflammation associated with this infection makes me concerned about long term issues, perhaps even similar to chronic inflammatory or lyme disease type experiences.  

I'm looking forward to access to an effective vaccine. 

[SansNom]

20 hours ago, MgoBlue said:

What bothers me is when people say they won't get the vaccine because they don't know the "long-term effects" yet. Fine, that's agreeable when the world is not in a devastating pandemic and the only way to go back to some ~normalcy~ will be to vaccinate. By the time we know the "long-term effects", hundreds of thousands more people will be dead.

Also, we certainly do not know the long-term effects of having had COVID-19 either. For all we know, all COVID survivors may have end stage lung disease in 5 years.

That's just my opinion. Trust the science.

I'll admit, I passed on the first round of the vaccines at my hospital when they recently asked who wanted to get it, but it is precisely because I DO trust the science.......and understand that science takes time and trial and error.

The mRNA vaccine is not only for a new a virus, it's an entirely new type of vaccine. So I'm hesitant to be among the first to get it for the same reason I won't buy the first new model of a car or cell phone: there will always be kinks to work out. The science may be sound, but the application and response to the science when applied in the real world rarely looks like what we had predicted on paper and in smaller trials.

Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% on board and excited about the vaccine, but I know millions are going to get it right away and don't share my concerns at all, which is fine. In the mean time, someone else who wants it and has no reservations can have my dose and I'll get on the next round if after a month or two and millions of people vaccinated no new evidence or problems have come up. This is not an irrational way of seeing things.

Oh, and lastly, it is well known that the vaccine has caused an inflammatory reaction in many participants, which is likely to lead to people calling out of work for a short period. So it's probably a good idea to stagger the doses instead of risking an entire unit or an entire hospital needing a sick day or two to recover from a negative response to the vaccine.

[Jack Peace]

On 12/4/2020 at 6:54 AM, Nurse SMS said:

The equivalent of four jumbo jets are going down daily killing everyone on board. DAILY. Influenza death rates in the US don't come anywhere NEAR these statistics and it is obvious you get your information only from biased sources. 

A power grab? Face diapers? First of all, if you are a medical professional you know better than to try to make an argument this way. Second, who exactly is benefiting from this? Not one dang person. The idea that this is somehow a political conspiracy is so beyond ridiculous. For the love of Mike, please stop talking so that the professionals, who are weary, tired, depressed and sick to death of people like you, can get back to the honorable part of this, which is saving lives. You can rant anywhere you like. Please stop doing it here.

Wow really jumbo jets? You do know that on average about 8000 people die in the U.S. EVERY DAY going back several years. Magically, heart disease, stroke, cancer, and diabetes have all caused significantly less deaths in last several months, but those deaths were attributed to the China Virus. 

[Wuzzie]

26 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

Magically, heart disease, stroke, cancer, and diabetes have all caused significantly less deaths in last several months, but those deaths were attributed to the China Virus. 

Cite your source please.

[Jack Peace]

[toomuchbaloney]

33 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

Wow really jumbo jets? You do know that on average about 8000 people die in the U.S. EVERY DAY going back several years. Magically, heart disease, stroke, cancer, and diabetes have all caused significantly less deaths in last several months, but those deaths were attributed to the China Virus. 

Bwahahaha

Oh my, it's kind of embarrassing when a supposed health professional demonstrates such a simplistic and flawed comprehension of public health data. It's also noticeable that this "opinion" is offered completely free of citation or supporting fact. 

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COVID-19 and Excess All-Cause Mortality in the US and 18 Comparison Countries

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Compared with other countries, the US experienced high COVID-19–associated mortality and excess all-cause mortality into September 2020. After the first peak in early Spring, US death rates from COVID-19 and from all causes remained higher than even countries with high COVID-19 mortality. This may have been a result of several factors, including weak public health infrastructure and a decentralized, inconsistent US response to the pandemic.4,5

 

[Jack Peace]

Hey baloney, 

Thank you for calling me stupid. I know you get off to doing that. But this is the John's Hopkins study that was removed /censored. The link below explains how the study was removed. 

https://www.aier.org/article/the-censorship-of-Dr-briand/

[Wuzzie]

5 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

I asked you to cite your source not post a picture.