It's only fair to point out that Biden is also racist AF. (AF= as ... can't be mentioned on AN, because we're nurses and we don't swear, ever).
The Omicron variant has so far been detected in South Africa, Botswana, Israel, Belgium, Hong Kong, UK, Germany, Italy, and Czechia. But of those countries the US has implemented travel bans on only two of those countries; South Africa and Botswana. In addition to those two, travel bans have been enacted for eSwatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, and Zimbabwe, even though no cases of Omicron have been detected there.
Specializes in Family and Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner.
38 minutes ago, Beerman said:
And, it lessens my argument, in your opinion. That doesn't mean it's wrong or invalid.
I don't even know where to begin.
You don't have any interest in research, or nursing, learning, or honest debate. There are no words when someone starts squawking about liberals liberals after the mention of WSJ and The Economist. You simply have no interest in having honest apolitical discussion or debate about NURSING. This isn't a political site.
When I'm on the floor, or working in any capacity as a nurse, my politics get left at home. It's about the science and reliable resources for me. And my patients first and foremost. I ask myself, what we have done in nursing school? What is the foundation of my training. Granted, I have a Master's, but any nurse remembers having to do research papers in school, not just at the graduate level. And even then, sometimes even a reliable source may print something questionable...small n, manipulated p... but generally we do the best we can with reliable sources. I'm not pro-choice, or pro-life, or left or right...I'm just a dude working to save my patients and get them healthy.
If you feel so passionately about politics, that's fine. This isn't the place for that. If you have more passion for politics than science and nursing, I would honestly say, leave nursing and get a job in politics, or go back to school and study polisci. It's a fun degree. But it doesn't have a place here. Science shouldn't be infiltrated by either political party or left or right politics. Our practice should be guided by EBP, RCTs, and then lower quality studies (cohort, case-control, cross-sectional, etc.)...not random dude's thoughts on a website who agrees with our politics.
Show us where you are putting your politics aside and letting the science guide your clincial practice. Are you a nurse?
Specializes in Family and Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner.
26 minutes ago, Tweety said:
But it certainly doesn't mean they are lying, fear mongering or stupid.
Absolutely. I think this is key. We are learning in real life. Although...I do think the US and other countries dragged on masking even when China was providing them with data showing it was beneficial. And no doubt about it...this administration frequently placed the economy ahead of science in decision-making in this pandemic, and there are government documents demonstrating that.
We've made mistakes. But some just seriously don't want honest debate, it's just scapegoating and a lot of gaslighting to peddle conspiracy theories and anti-science propaganda. I think it's okay to criticize the government's handling. It's just not okay to use a political "foe" as a scapegoat to peddle anti-science propaganda.
...Honestly I'm surprised AN allows some of the stuff I have seen on here. Stunning that a "nurse's website" allows posts against masking and vaccines.
Specializes in Family and Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner.
2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
When AN members suggest that shouldn't trust Fauci they should at least have a suggestion as to who they believe should be trusted relative to public health and pandemic response. Who are they taking covid guidance from? Joe Rogan? Scott Atlas? Tucker Carlson?
If you feel so passionately about politics, that's fine. This isn't the place for that.
Actually, yes this is the place in this website to discuss politics and not necessarily nursing.
Sadly, covid and all that surrounds it has become a political discussion. It's interesting how we all are presented with the same science and information but approach things differently.
Actually, yes this is the place in this website to discuss politics and not necessarily nursing.
Sadly, covid and all that surrounds it has become a political discussion. It's interesting how we all are presented with the same science and information but approach things differently.
Actually, no. If you'd read anything about that chart, you would see that this is something that has been researched extensively, as with the studies demonstrating that those getting their news from PBS, for example, were better informed on accurate data. OK nstead, you fast drew your opinion gun whioe my point being, not looking at your argument, but rather your source. If you had used that source in an academic paper, you would've been asked to use another or take the source out.
Nursing should be a SCIENCE and data-driven. If we can't identify good sources (like PubMed resources, for example), then how on G-d's Earth are we providing evidenced based care to our patients.
Giving opinion is fine, but like in academia, if these are NURSING opinions, which is the PURPOSE of this site, then use confirmed sources. Again, for everyone in the back, this media chart is r e s e a r c h e d and as you see identifies sources that are diametrically opposed, such as The Economist/WSJ and NPR, as accurate and reliable sources. When you make a comment, and source some weird conspiracy site, it lessens your argument. Either you need a better source, or you might want to reconsider your "opinion." I can't believe this needs to be said on a website allegedly devoted to people with advanced degrees in nursing science.
Baloney, your point is illustrated by the fact that CNN fired Chris Cuomo for his ethics but Ben Shapiro would never fire himself from the dailywire which is such a depressing screed that I can't even capitalize it:(
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, Beerman said:
I'll rephrase my questions that you avoided. Maybe I ruffled your feathers picking on Tony.
When he advised that the public didn't need to wear a mask, did you find that to be good advice? Did you follow that advice? I know I didn't.
Later, he said he only advised that because he was concerned about masks running out for healthcare workers. Don't you think he should have just been honest to begin with? How did that effect his credibility?
Why would you need to rephrase your question after you straight up accused Fauci of lying about masks and then mischaracterized his follow up comments? What do I think? I think that this bit of right wing fantasy has been adequately debunked over and over. I think that you have trouble discerning dishonesty and lies from other types of communication. I think that the only place where Dr Fauci's credibility suffers is among those engaged in right wing extremist media content and rhetoric.
Who did you say that you get your covid guidance from...you know the recommendations which deviate from Dr Fauci's public comments and positions?
Youdon't have any interest in research, or nursing, learning, or honest debate.
All you've done is spent a lot of effort to discredit a source I used to share an opinion, and insult me. There isn't a bit of evidence to suggest that you even read the article. So, it seems you are the one not interested in learning or honest debate.
I'm not interested in nursing? That's a strange assertion.
5 hours ago, BuckeyeNP said:
There are no words when someone starts squawking about liberals liberals after the mention of WSJ and The Economist.
My squawking about liberals had nothing to do with the sources you've mentioned.
5 hours ago, BuckeyeNP said:
You simply have no interest in having honest apolitical discussion or debate about NURSING. This isn't a political site.
You are in a group of threads titled "US Politics". LOL.
5 hours ago, BuckeyeNP said:
5 hours ago, BuckeyeNP said:
If youfeel so passionately about politics, that's fine. This isn't the placefor that.
Yes, this is exactly the place for that. LOL.
5 hours ago, BuckeyeNP said:
Show us where you are putting your politics aside and letting the science guide your clincial practice. Are you a nurse?
Show us where you got the idea that I let my politics guide my clinical practice.
4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Why would you need to rephrase your question after you straight up accused Fauci of lying about masks and then mischaracterized his follow up comments? What do I think? I think that this bit of right wing fantasy has been adequately debunked over and over. I think that you have trouble discerning dishonesty and lies from other types of communication. I think that the only place where Dr Fauci's credibility suffers is among those engaged in right wing extremist media content and rhetoric.
Who did you say that you get your covid guidance from...you know the recommendations which deviate from Dr Fauci's public comments and positions?
Why do you think I'm going to indulge you when you continue to dodge the questions I asked first?
Baloney, your point is illustrated by the fact that CNN fired Chris Cuomo for his ethics but Ben Shapiro would never fire himself from the dailywire which is such a depressing screed that I can't even capitalize it:(
Please, my all means, show us how Shapiro and Cuomo are comparable.
Honestly I'm surprised AN allows some of the stuff I have seen on here. Stunning that a "nurse's website" allows posts against masking and vaccines.
Please show us example of posts against masking and vaccines.
WhenI'm on the floor, or working in any capacity as a nurse, my politics get left at home. It's about the science and reliable resources for me. And my patients first and foremost. I ask myself, what we have done in nursing school? What is the foundation of my training. Granted, I have a Master's, but any nurse remembers having to do research papers in school, not just at the graduate level. And even then, sometimes even a reliable source may print something questionable...small n, manipulated p... but generally we do the best we can with reliable sources. I'm not pro-choice, or pro-life, or left or right...I'm just a dude working to save my patients and get them healthy.
I feel we all here, including myself, could truthfully say the same. Don't know where you get off so high and mighty. Or where you got the idea that politics effects my nursing.
Granted, I didn't spend the money on a Master's to be a NP working on the floor.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
57 minutes ago, Beerman said:
Why do you think I'm going to indulge you when you continue to dodge the questions I asked first?
Why should I indulge questions offered as a cover for sharing your notion that Fauci is a liar and that there is some other expert voice that should be considered which offers pandemic guidance different from Fauci's. You seem to have forgotten that I asked that question in our exchange when I asked you who you trust rather than Fauci...presumably because they gave you different guidance about masks in 2020...and you have yet to answer that although it preceded your question to me.
Who is it that the public should look to for covid guidance because they offer something different from Fauci?
BuckeyeNP, MSN, RN, APN
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I don't even know where to begin.
You don't have any interest in research, or nursing, learning, or honest debate. There are no words when someone starts squawking about liberals liberals after the mention of WSJ and The Economist. You simply have no interest in having honest apolitical discussion or debate about NURSING. This isn't a political site.
When I'm on the floor, or working in any capacity as a nurse, my politics get left at home. It's about the science and reliable resources for me. And my patients first and foremost. I ask myself, what we have done in nursing school? What is the foundation of my training. Granted, I have a Master's, but any nurse remembers having to do research papers in school, not just at the graduate level. And even then, sometimes even a reliable source may print something questionable...small n, manipulated p... but generally we do the best we can with reliable sources. I'm not pro-choice, or pro-life, or left or right...I'm just a dude working to save my patients and get them healthy.
If you feel so passionately about politics, that's fine. This isn't the place for that. If you have more passion for politics than science and nursing, I would honestly say, leave nursing and get a job in politics, or go back to school and study polisci. It's a fun degree. But it doesn't have a place here. Science shouldn't be infiltrated by either political party or left or right politics. Our practice should be guided by EBP, RCTs, and then lower quality studies (cohort, case-control, cross-sectional, etc.)...not random dude's thoughts on a website who agrees with our politics.
Show us where you are putting your politics aside and letting the science guide your clincial practice. Are you a nurse?