It's only fair to point out that Biden is also racist AF. (AF= as ... can't be mentioned on AN, because we're nurses and we don't swear, ever).
The Omicron variant has so far been detected in South Africa, Botswana, Israel, Belgium, Hong Kong, UK, Germany, Italy, and Czechia. But of those countries the US has implemented travel bans on only two of those countries; South Africa and Botswana. In addition to those two, travel bans have been enacted for eSwatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, and Zimbabwe, even though no cases of Omicron have been detected there.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, Beerman said:
Haha....I get that. But, honestly, is anyone still paying any attention to Fauci, or find him to be credible in any way?
Yes. Dr Fauci is a leading expert in virology and infectious diseases. He remains a respected member of the US pandemic response team. It's true that Trump and other conservatives have tried to scapegoat Dr Fauci, especially in social media and commentary, for Trump's failed pandemic response.
Science has been another Trump target. He has gutted scientific expertise and administrative capacity in the executive branch, most notably failing to fill hundreds of vacancies in the Centers for Disease Control itself and disbanding the National Security Council’s taskforce on pandemics. During the coronavirus crisis, he has routinely disagreed with scientific experts, including, in the AP’s words, his “musing about injecting disinfectants into people [to treat COVID-19].” This follows his earlier public advocacy for hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment, also against leading scientists’ advice. Coupled with his flip-flopping on when to lift stay-at-home orders, the president has created confusion and endangered people.
Finally, President Trump has consistently demeaned essential government agencies, labeling them part of a “deep state,” such as when he “joked” about what he called “The Deep State Department.” Not surprisingly, he ignored another part of the supposed “deep state”—the intelligence community. Greg Miller and Ellen Nakashima reported in the Washington Post that Trump ignored repeated warnings about COVID-19 in his presidential daily brief in January and February. Throughout his presidency, unlike his predecessors, Trump has refused to read the daily brief.
Quote
It is easy to think these are just examples of Trump’s unorthodox political style. Yet he is merely the apotheosis of a political approach that has animated much of the conservative movement for a half century or more: undermining trust in the media, science, and government.
It remains to be seen what percentage of the general population is susceptible to the attacks on the scientific institutions we've established. Erosion of trust is the goal and time is on their side. The drip, drip of the persistent slander takes a toll...even when it is nothing but propaganda.
So there is this variant and there will be another. Is restrictions, lockouts and frequent injections the way we are going to live now?
Biden isn't racist for closing the border but neither was Trump. However it was Trump I could just hear the left blow horns. Really, just hold Biden accountable to the same scrutiny and criticism and the crazy conservatives wouldn't have much to say imo. However we all know that won't happen......
Isn't that what we are doing here, scrutinizing Biden's closure of the borders?
I didn't have a problem with Trump closing down the border. But the issue people had at the time was that he clearly was antagonistic towards China long before the virus and that he didn't really show much concern for the virus. He was pretty schizo about it. He paraded Fauci and acted all concerned and when Fauci didn't say what he wanted he was demonized. He issued guidelines for reopening the economy, and then shouted "Free Michigan" even though they didn't meet his own guidelines.
We don't have any restrictions or "lockouts", maybe in Canada you do. There is no one, including Biden even talking about lockdowns even as the delta variant is raging through states like Minnesota and Michigan. But like yearly flu vaccines we might have to live with frequent injections.
Haha....I get that. But, honestly, is anyone still paying any attention to Fauci, or find him to be credible in any way?
He has more credibility to me than Rand Paul. He's an expert in his field. He doesn't always say what people want to hear, but I think he gives his best. Sometimes in the world of the unknown that means being wrong or having to back up and re-clarify something, or just making predictions based on what is currently known.
I feel Fauci is the scapegoat for our failures. I still wish he would retire and give a big F-bomb you on the way out.
Biden isn't racist for closing the border but neither was Trump. However it was Trump I could just hear the left blow horns. Really, just hold Biden accountable to the same scrutiny and criticism and the crazy conservatives wouldn't have much to say imo. However we all know that won't happen......
Trump's "travel ban", which was not really a ban at all, was initially explainable as clearly justifiable and not racist. It then transitioned into more overt racism, or maybe more xenophobic, or just ignorant, various explanations and none of them good.
China actually got through it's first wave fairly quickly, and before long there were a long list of countries where it was far more likely someone originating from their could be infected with Covid. Yet travel restrictions were not added for those countries and China's travel restrictions remained. It's possible that wasn't racism, just incompetence.
But then he started calling Covid "Kung Flu" and that seemed to pretty much seal the deal that there was at least some racism involved, with at least a smattering of incompetence to go along with it.
14 hours ago, Cclm said:
So there is this variant and there will be another. Is restrictions, lockouts and frequent injections the way we are going to live now?
It's a "way we are going to live" which is better than the alternative of "the way we are going to die".
We've never actually had "lockouts" which I assume refers to lockdowns. We've taken pretty basic steps to reduce the spread of Covid and to reduce the number of deaths, what alternatives would you suggest?
Specializes in Family and Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner.
On 11/30/2021 at 11:48 AM, Beerman said:
Couldn't agree more with Morgan.
Trump's biggest mistake was putting Fauci out there, and listening to him.
"Morgan started his column by writing sardonically: “I’ve never heard Dr. Anthony Fauci’s cell phone voicemail greeting, but I imagine it says: ‘Yes, I’ll come on your show,’” adding, “For someone whose day job is supposed to be leading America’s scientific and medical war against Covid-19, he seems to have an incredible amount of spare time for self-promotional media interviews.”
Regardless of what the conversation is... Just as a point of fact...a the daily wire is not a reliable news source.... Just opinion. As much as Fox is or many other similar.
Nurses should, regardless of their political affiliation, know how to find reliable news and scientific data/information.
P Morgan is probably unhappy that he is not getting Fauci's air time . Imagine if we had to listen to Scott Atlas in place of Fauci. Fauci fumbles while we are waiting for the data to evolve but Atlaa doesn't even believe in the scientific method.
Regardless of what the conversation is... Just as a point of fact...a the daily wire is not a reliable news source.... Just opinion. As much as Fox is or many other similar.
Nurses should, regardless of their political affiliation, know how to find reliable news and scientific data/information.
I personally like this chart a lot because it's equal in showing R and L biases.
There is still good journalism in the US, even more overseas, but we seem as a society damned determined to submit to confirmation biases.
I'm not sure why you used my post to try to make your point. Obviously, I was sharing my opinion. Clearly, the DW article was also based on Piers Morgan's opinion..
BTW, your belief in the chart is also opinion. As is the chart itself. Its one person's or a group of folks' opinion.
I'm sure it probably confirms your bias toward some source or another.
I've mentioned this before. Simply because I post a opinion from a leaning right or right wing source, doesn't mean I agree with every opinion that source publishes. And, just because a source might be biased, doesn't mean everything it publishes is false.
Omicron is appearing according to early reports to be less severe than Delta.
It's also all over the world which brings to mind the unsuccessful nature of travel bans which apparently are being re-considered here. Of course this brings on accusations of over-reacting and flip flopping, that it's only about fearing mongering and control.
Still I think places like Iowa reaching their highest levels of covid patients in year this past week, and with places like Massachusettes and the mid-west, not to mention all of Europe, being hammered by Delta, is it fear mongering to be concerned and cautious about a new variant given what's happened in the past?
We're learning about Omicron in real live time every day. Omicron is showing to be very transmissible but with milder symptoms. Instead of breathing a sigh of relief it's "Fauci doesn't know what he's talking about, flip flopping, fear mongering, trying to control us"...blah blah blah.
Quote
As a virus evolves to become more transmissible, it generally "loses" traits that cause severe disease, Soundararajan told the newspaper. But at the same time, scientists need more data to analyze the Omicron variant and know for sure what to expect in the months ahead, he said.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
39 minutes ago, Tweety said:
is it fear mongering to be concerned and cautious about a new variant given what's happened in the past?
Nah...we are approaching the 3rd year of a global pandemic...anyone who is talking about fear mongering relative to new variant warnings is an idiot committed to propaganda rather than critical thought or sound reasoning.
toomuchbaloney
16,147 Posts
Piers Morgan's opinion about someone else's ego...LOL