It's only fair to point out that Biden is also racist AF. (AF= as ... can't be mentioned on AN, because we're nurses and we don't swear, ever).
The Omicron variant has so far been detected in South Africa, Botswana, Israel, Belgium, Hong Kong, UK, Germany, Italy, and Czechia. But of those countries the US has implemented travel bans on only two of those countries; South Africa and Botswana. In addition to those two, travel bans have been enacted for eSwatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, and Zimbabwe, even though no cases of Omicron have been detected there.
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5 hours ago, Cclm said:
No I am not. However those with a similar disposition of making a choice of when, or to get vaccinated have been met with your usual accusations of , "vaccine refusal and your favorite, "propaganda ". For the exact same decision you have made. I have seen several positions like yours torn apart in these threads.
Want me to find some? Better start mass deleting because there is plenty.
Again, you decision is sound but hold yourself to the sane standard. For the love of gawdddd
A "fiscal conservative "? LOL. Perhaps I should say Brandon I mean Biden voter. Is that more accurate? Come on man.
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Yep you had better start reviewing and quoting. I'm really looking forward to the words you are going to twist to fit your beliefs.
It's curious that you are talking about mass deletion. Would that be your strategy? Rather than honesty you would try to conceal your remarks and hide your content must be, huh? That must be that's why you assume that's what others would do.
Again..
What exactly is that standard that you think I've established? Is it a standard of not spreading nonsense about covid and vaccination?
Yeah, you can call me a Biden voter. That's more accurate, not that accuracy appears to be your objective.
I have a friend who's husband died (not from Covid) and offered bedrooms to his brothers to stay at her house for the funeral but requested that they be vaccinated. There were 6 brothers (Midwesterners:) and it turned out that one of the brothers who took the free offer was not vaccinated but didn't say a word until ANOTHER brother died after attending the funeral. One is unable to make this up. So, I'm not going to chastise people who actually ask for proof. We are wallowing in Covid now and getting into an ER is difficult unless it is MI or stroke. We live like this because of a moderately high rate of non-vaxxed and people not understanding that just because you're vaxxed, it doesn't mean you can't go out and life your life normally.
Very sad about your friends family. Who is chastising people who ask? Did I say I would? Why did you bring it up in response to my post? I think I made it very clear I could careless about peoples status unless it is work related and definitely made no mention of getting angry at someone who asked.
As for living a normal life after being vaccinated. Well, I suppose we may need to figure out what that means. Normal to me is being able to go out to do things as I did pre-COVID. Like to dinner, movies, sporting events etc. I do that, albeit, with a mask at times for added protection depending on the situation. There is data to suggest return to normal in some setting is possible. The attached article provides data from a recent study, by 2 PhD and an MD, as an example.
This was the concluding paragraph from the article:
"Our findings are consistent with a recent JAMA study that found no instances of in-game COVID-19 transmission among college football players during last year’s 2020 football season. The hypothesis that SEC stadium gatherings would result in increased COVID-19 transmission is not supported by the data. Vaccination and natural immunity downgrade COVID-19 to an endemic mild virus. Let’s respect the evidence, enjoy outside gatherings and have the freedom to live our lives!"
Personal experiences doesn't make one right! Remember??? Intact, I don't believe this story at all.
The poster is posting how personal experiences influenced how she feels about asking people about their vaccination status and offering proof. You can feel it's not right, but you came to that conclusion based on your life experiences, readings and values have you not? Why not give someone else the same benefit without calling them a liar?
You're entitled to believe what you want to believe when you hear what you don't want to hear, but in the years I've interacted with this poster never have I felt the poster to be a liar.
To me it sounds like such a crazy story that it has to be true. Couldn't make this stuff up.
The poster is posting how personal experiences influenced how she feels about asking people about their vaccination status and offering proof. You can feel it's not right, but you came to that conclusion based on your life experiences, readings and values have you not? Why not give someone else the same benefit without calling them a liar?
You're entitled to believe what you want to believe when you hear what you don't want to hear, but in the years I've interacted with this poster never have I felt the poster to be a liar.
To me it sounds like such a crazy story that it has to be true. Couldn't make this stuff up.
Yes I have come to some conclusions. We all come to our personal opinions based on our life experiences. I think the poster is entitled to say as she wishes. I may have got the wrong person but I've been told my personal experiences do not matter and even accused of lying about my ethnicity. This is why I made the comment. Albeit the wrong member in which I apologize. I do not want to go off topic but thank you for pointing this out as I may have made a mistake.
On 12/11/2021 at 9:13 AM, RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN said:
Very sad about your friends family. Who is chastising people who ask? Did I say I would? Why did you bring it up in response to my post? I think I made it very clear I could careless about peoples status unless it is work related and definitely made no mention of getting angry at someone who asked.
As for living a normal life after being vaccinated. Well, I suppose we may need to figure out what that means. Normal to me is being able to go out to do things as I did pre-COVID. Like to dinner, movies, sporting events etc. I do that, albeit, with a mask at times for added protection depending on the situation. There is data to suggest return to normal in some setting is possible. The attached article provides data from a recent study, by 2 PhD and an MD, as an example.
This was the concluding paragraph from the article:
"Our findings are consistent with a recent JAMA study that found no instances of in-game COVID-19 transmission among college football players during last year’s 2020 football season. The hypothesis that SEC stadium gatherings would result in increased COVID-19 transmission is not supported by the data. Vaccination and natural immunity downgrade COVID-19 to an endemic mild virus. Let’s respect the evidence, enjoy outside gatherings and have the freedom to live our lives!"
I don't know much about football but isn't it played outdoors? I have never feared outdoor activities but hate crowds anyway so I don't have to be afraid of Covid to avoid crowds:) I am comfortable with friends indoors but I know they are all vaccinated. But it's difficult to allow a relative to stay outdoors of your house for a funeral in northern Michigan It's just kinda sad when you can't trust your own brother-in law to tell you the truth about his vaccination status. And mother nature has no sense of humor because he's not even the brother that died.
Please elaborate. You seem to be saying that we shouldn't try to achieve vaccine mediated herd immunity for this virus but we should encourage vaccination like we did to achieve herd immunity to measles, rubella or polio...to protect us from the effects of the viruses. What am I missing?
Is that a example of hysteria or hypocrisy?
That's the official statement from Dr Walensky. I didn't see anything about urgent or requirement. There was, as I recall, slightly more encouragement and urgency in the recommendations for those with Comorbidities.
The experts do discuss that in their prepared remarks and briefings. The press generally has the experts focusing on other predictions and prognostications. It often appears that the press is seeking to create alarm and confusion about covid rather than disseminate helpful information...when you listen to their questions at press briefings.
I do notice your use of the word "supposed" as if people like Fauci aren't really experts in their professional field. Maybe you should explain who the real experts are if it's not the folks at places like NIH or CDC.
I watch ZDOGG regularly. There's nothing wrong or sinister about those conversations. Those conversations about the risk benefit relationship of vaccines are critical and happen as a matter of the process of developing public health policy. The reality is that some experts are in the position to be the voice and face of public health policy and some are just voices and faces that don't have to be accountable for their thinking about national vaccination strategy in the second year of a pandemic. It's much easier to be a sideline expert.
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On 12/8/2021 at 11:59 AM, RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN said:
you quoted me Would it be more correct to refer to this as an endemic rather than pandemic at this point?
Your reply was: Pan = global
Well of course pan = global. You left out an import part of my post when you quoted me. Perhaps it was an oversite? Let me add it for clarity. “It has more in common with endemic influenza.” I mean COVID is not going to be eradicated, just as influenza has not been, hence it is endemic. (And both or global or pandemic). I think perhaps you missed my point. So to help clarify what I was trying to convey the following is provided:
“What Is an Endemic?
Contrary to the leading part of the term, an endemic does not mean COVID will end. Health experts say an endemic virus remains in the population, but at a relatively low level. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines an endemic as "the constant presence and/or usual prevalence of a disease or infectious agent in a population within a geographic area."
"What we really are trying to capture is that this virus isn't going away," said Dr. Jennifer Nuzzo, the lead epidemiologist for the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 Testing Insights Initiative. "It's not going to get to the point where we're going to drive [COVID cases] down to zero … We're always probably going to have some level of cases."
However, Nuzzo, who is also a professor for the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, said defining an endemic isn't simple. Every virus is different and it's unclear at this time how far COVID case numbers would need to drop for the country to make that transition.
What Does Life in an Endemic Look Like?
As more people get vaccinated against COVID-19 and become exposed to it, health experts say it will become more manageable, like the seasonal flu, for example.”
On 12/8/2021 at 11:59 AM, RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN said:
you quoted To think we are going to vaccinate our way out is wishful thinking. We need to stop that message and change it to the message of the flu vax, shingles vax etc. We want you vaccinated to protect oneself from the effects of the virus
You posted: Please elaborate. You seem to be saying that we shouldn't try to achieve vaccine mediated herd immunity for this virus but we should encourage vaccination like we did to achieve herd immunity to measles, rubella or polio...to protect us from the effects of the viruses. What am I missing?
We are not going to eradicate COVID 19. So, rather than try to send the message that vaccination will end the crisis, as it did in the case of polio for example, we need to make the message about personal protection. As we all know, the unvaccinated are the ones who make up the majority of fatalities and ICU cases. So, for the same reason a person gets a flu or shingles vaccine, personal protection, we need to sell the COVID vaccine the same way. Trying to say get vaccinated as the way to stop the spread is not going to work when people know vaccinated people are still able to spread the virus. We need to focus on the self protection aspect so that the effects of contracting COVID a minimized on the person. That is all I am saying. That goes hand in hand with transparency and honesty. I think people who are hesitant might be a little more likely to take it.
On 12/8/2021 at 11:59 AM, RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN said:
you quoted me As an example, saying it is an urgent requirement for a 20 something with no comorbidities to have a booster who has already had two doses of a vaccine.
You posted Is that a example of hysteria or hypocrisy? Which ever you like. I know which I think it is.
You posted Quote
“After critical scientific evaluation, today’s unanimous decision carefully considered the current state of the pandemic, the latest vaccine effectiveness data over time, and review of safety data from people who have already received a COVID-19 primary vaccine series and booster. Booster shots have demonstrated the ability to safely increase people’s protection against infection and severe outcomes and are an important public health tool to strengthen our defenses against the virus as we enter the Winter holidays. Based on the compelling evidence, all adults over 18 should now have equitable access to a COVID-19 booster dose.”
That's the official statement from Dr Walensky. I didn't see anything about urgent or requirement. There was, as I recall, slightly more encouragement and urgency in the recommendations for those with Comorbidities.
Care to provide a link?
On 12/8/2021 at 11:59 AM, RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN said:
you quoted me What is sad is we get very little of that kind of discussion by the supposed "experts".
You posted: The experts do discuss that in their prepared remarks and briefings. The press generally has the experts focusing on other predictions and prognostications. It often appears that the press is seeking to create alarm and confusion about covid rather than disseminate helpful information...when you listen to their questions at press briefings.
I do notice your use of the word "supposed" as if people like Fauci aren't really experts in their professional field. Maybe you should explain who the real experts are if it's not the folks at places like NIH or CDC.
I never mentioned a name or organization. I do see you defending a certain guy often on this blog though. I did find it interesting that the top TWO officials for the FDA Vaccine Approval Division step down over the booster plan yet it goes virtually unreported. I guess they aren’t really experts. The fact that prior to two weeks ago the FDA had a near unanimous vote against boosters for all and suddenly that changes. NIH and CDC have some very good people, no doubt. So do the Germans, UK, Israel, Asia, etc. As was pointed out in the video that I doubt you watched in it’s entirety, the data the CDC used to discredit natural, or as I call it acquired immunity, for those who had and recovered from COVID was flawed.
For your consideration, here is a comparison of two studies looking at acquired immunity:
You posted : I watch ZDOGG regularly. There's nothing wrong or sinister about those conversations. Those conversations about the risk benefit relationship of vaccines are critical and happen as a matter of the process of developing public health policy. The reality is that some experts are in the position to be the voice and face of public health policy and some are just voices and faces that don't have to be accountable for their thinking about national vaccination strategy in the second year of a pandemic. It's much easier to be a sideline expert.
I know asking you to listen to 90 minutes was probably too much, but for those who did, I bet they got something out of it.
It’s easy to discount “sideline” experts especially when they conflict with what the mainstream media and government have to say. Some experts also seem to allow political considerations to override their scientific responsibility to make unbiased recommendations. We have seen that since the beginning of the current crisis: With masks we saw policy changes in March (we don’t need them) and April 2020 (we need them). With distancing in class rooms the current CDC head switched positions 3 times, again, with no evidence but screaming Education unions. Booster policy without requisite risk/benefit assessment being completed and listening to manufacture recommendations. Travel restrictions based on what the president says rather than what the science says to name a few.
Also, these “sideline” experts have nothing to lose if the masses are informed. The government loves an ignorant electorate which is why all this information is not put out for our consumption. We just need to shut up and listen to what we are told.
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Yep you had better start reviewing and quoting. I'm really looking forward to the words you are going to twist to fit your beliefs.
It's curious that you are talking about mass deletion. Would that be your strategy? Rather than honesty you would try to conceal your remarks and hide your content must be, huh? That must be that's why you assume that's what others would do.
Again..
What exactly is that standard that you think I've established? Is it a standard of not spreading nonsense about covid and vaccination?
Yeah, you can call me a Biden voter. That's more accurate, not that accuracy appears to be your objective.