It's only fair to point out that Biden is also racist AF. (AF= as ... can't be mentioned on AN, because we're nurses and we don't swear, ever).
The Omicron variant has so far been detected in South Africa, Botswana, Israel, Belgium, Hong Kong, UK, Germany, Italy, and Czechia. But of those countries the US has implemented travel bans on only two of those countries; South Africa and Botswana. In addition to those two, travel bans have been enacted for eSwatini, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, and Zimbabwe, even though no cases of Omicron have been detected there.
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1 hour ago, Beerman said:
So, our lengthy and contentious discussion started with you getting your feathers ruffled because I said people have stopped listening to Fauci.
Now, after all that you admit you haven't followed his guidance on getting a booster. But, instead of assessed your own risk and have not decided it was necessary at this time.
Amazing.
I haven't followed his guidance how? Please explain specifically. I'm certain that you can find his exact words. Perhaps you are projecting ruffled feathers onto me. It's not a personal issue, my ego is not in some way attached to Fauci. I'm simply aware of the smear campaign that was initiated against Fauci by Trump and the resultant wave of public criticism that followed. So, no, when you repeat that sort of rhetoric I'm not ruffled, I'm persistent.
I don't recall stating that a booster wasn't necessary at this time. I recall explaining that until I can obtain a booster my exposure and personal risk for exposure and infection is not high. I suspect that you have a habit of reading my comments with a heavy bias as you frequently mischaracterize my words.
To be fair, TMB didn't say he wasn't getting the booster and not following that advice but just hasn't gotten the booster yet and justified it.
But yeah TMB you're not currently following his advice because 3 weeks ago he stated we all should get the booster.
Not everyone is able to get a booster that quickly due to pharmacy availability, working their jobs, etc. With the arrival of Omicron the news here is the demand for boosters has surged. It seems people are heeding the advice. So to answer the question "do people even still listen to Fauci", I would say that even in the Republican state of Florida we do.
A lot of people that delayed getting the vaccine thought it wasn't going to be a problem for them then regretted that hestitancy.
Nurses and hospital workers again and it seems like a broken record are sounding the alarm in Michigan. It always seems like one area or another in the country is having these kinds of conversations and it's never ending. Very frustrating.
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1 hour ago, Tweety said:
But yeah TMB you're not currently following his advice because 3 weeks ago he stated we all should get the booster.
Really? I haven't in, 3 weeks time accomplished a booster yet. Was there a time table associated with Fauci's guidance? I'm wondering about the urgency that is being associated with Fauci's remarks. I watch the pandemic response team briefings where the guidance is pretty straight forward. The questions from press often take him down trails of speculation or prognostication. So,
I'm looking for the language from Fauci that required everyone to boost within 4 weeks or be considered non-compliant with the recommendations. I mean, neither of you know how far from primary vaccination I am and you don't know what might have been outside of my control which might have impaired my ability or access to booster vaccines. I've expressed no vaccine hesitancy...only that I had issues which prevented me from obtaining a booster.
That aside, if Beerman can support his vitriol with actual evidence I'll give him credit. He should produce the language of urgency that describes my "failure" to follow guidance. Fauci's public comments are widely available. Show me the language that had a narrow window for compliance.
I'm not really interested in zealotry and that's not what Fauci is representing. Is Beerman pushing some kind of cult like approach to Fauci's words? He's a single member of a team. Meanwhile, I wonder if I'm not complying with the booster recommendations of Beerman's preferred expert and how his/her recommendations are different from Fauci's.
Definitely not. I'm vaccinated. Most I know are. Some aren't. They are still family and friends. If they have symptoms they know enough to keep their distance. Otherwise, why did I get vaccinated? It is to protect me. I of course do ask all my patients their status as I triage them. I don't ask anyone else their status. If they choose to tell, fine. I tell anyone who asks if I am.
I have a friend who's husband died (not from Covid) and offered bedrooms to his brothers to stay at her house for the funeral but requested that they be vaccinated. There were 6 brothers (Midwesterners:) and it turned out that one of the brothers who took the free offer was not vaccinated but didn't say a word until ANOTHER brother died after attending the funeral. One is unable to make this up. So, I'm not going to chastise people who actually ask for proof. We are wallowing in Covid now and getting into an ER is difficult unless it is MI or stroke. We live like this because of a moderately high rate of non-vaxxed and people not understanding that just because you're vaxxed, it doesn't mean you can't go out and life your life normally.
Really? I haven't in, 3 weeks time accomplished a booster yet.
I believe booster recommendations were made for your age bracket earlier than three weeks ago back in late October, earlier for persons with comorbidities. Three weeks ago it was recommended for everyone. You're behind the 8-ball on the booster.
You spew out that Fauci gives important recommendations and don't follow them. You can't have it both ways. It seems like you've indicated that you will get the booster though. Many posts you've made have indicated you are pro-science and pro-vaccine.
If I'm wrong about your age bracket, then shut me up.
And no, there isn't a timeline. Like Beerman and myself suggested, we use the information we have and use our own free will and life situation to make our decisions on how to carry on. Just as you have apparently. I don't blame you.
Really? I haven't in, 3 weeks time accomplished a booster yet. Was there a time table associated with Fauci's guidance? I'm wondering about the urgency that is being associated with Fauci's remarks. I watch the pandemic response team briefings where the guidance is pretty straight forward. The questions from press often take him down trails of speculation or prognostication. So,
I'm looking for the language from Fauci that required everyone to boost within 4 weeks or be considered non-compliant with the recommendations. I mean, neither of you know how far from primary vaccination I am and you don't know what might have been outside of my control which might have impaired my ability or access to booster vaccines. I've expressed no vaccine hesitancy...only that I had issues which prevented me from obtaining a booster.
That aside, if Beerman can support his vitriol with actual evidence I'll give him credit. He should produce the language of urgency that describes my "failure" to follow guidance. Fauci's public comments are widely available. Show me the language that had a narrow window for compliance.
I'm not really interested in zealotry and that's not what Fauci is representing. Is Beerman pushing some kind of cult like approach to Fauci's words? He's a single member of a team. Meanwhile, I wonder if I'm not complying with the booster recommendations of Beerman's preferred expert and how his/her recommendations are different from Fauci's.
I guess maybe he did mean "go get boosted when you get around to it".
And, you're right. I did make the assumption you received your first series of vaccinations in quick order after you were eligible. Which means, your 6 months has passed. Am I wrong? And based on my knowledge that you are retired and have 43 years of nursing experience, I made the assumption you were likely at least 65. Yes? That means your 6 months easily passed, and the recommendation for a booster was even longer than 3 weeks ago.
I don't know what circumstances are out of your control that you haven't been able to go get it done. Youre obviously very busy. But, this is a pandemic, man. You've admitted going out in public. You're endangering lives with your procrastination.
Or, it sounds like you've assessed your risk and your risk to others, and there isn't a urgency for you to get it. You can make your own decisions for yourself. You don't need politicians and beurocrats deciding what's best for you. Reminds me of the most enlightening things I ever heard Rush Limbaugh say. It was one thing that influenced me to stop always voting for Democrats and pay closer attention to conservatives. I'm paraphrasing, but it was something along the lines of if everyone voted according to how they actually lived their lives, the Democratic Party would cease to exist.
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59 minutes ago, Tweety said:
I believe booster recommendations were made for your age bracket earlier than three weeks ago back in late October, earlier for persons with comorbidities. Three weeks ago it was recommended for everyone. You're behind the 8-ball on the booster.
You spew out that Fauci gives important recommendations and don't follow them. You can't have it both ways. It seems like you've indicated that you will get the booster though. Many posts you've made have indicated you are pro-science and pro-vaccine.
If I'm wrong about your age bracket, then shut me up.
And no, there isn't a timeline. Like Beerman and myself suggested, we use the information we have and use our own free will and life situation to make our decisions on how to carry on. Just as you have apparently. I don't blame you.
Again...are you asserting that I simply chose not to vaccinate and I was only allowed a 4 week window to accomplish that? That's right. Fauci verbalized the CDC recommendations which do not include a time line for boosting regardless of other circumstances.
So when I quote Fauci that counts as spewing?
I get that Beerman is interested in some type of pissing contest that involves exaggerated response to Fauci's words. When he can show me precisely how I am intentionally non-compliant...without having all of the details of the circumstances and using specific words from Fauci or his preferred covid expert, I'll concede. In the absence of that...he's just blustering.
Again...are you asserting that I simply chose not to vaccinate and I was only allowed a 4 week window to accomplish that? That's right. Fauci verbalized the CDC recommendations which do not include a time line for boosting regardless of other circumstances.
I re-read my post and no where did I say you had a four week window and in no where did I say you chose not to get vaccinated with the booster. You were the one that said you were not vaccinated for various reasons and I responded to that.
You as well as I know that you were eligible in October which is ample time for you to have gotten the booster if it had been six months for you (and I can't imagine reading your posts in the vaccine threads and how pro-vaccine you are that you didn't get it right away more than six months ago) and that the timeline was to be six months after the 2nd dose not four weeks.
Your timeline of your booster is your decision but hinting that Fauci never gave a timeline is a bit off, since they clearly said six months later. Now do you have to get it six months to the minute? No he didn't say that. Can you wait given whatever circumstances you have in your life. Certainly and that's your decision. I don't think Beerman and I are criticizing that.
Again...areyou asserting that I simply chose not to vaccinate and I was only allowed a 4 week window to accomplish that? That's right. Fauci verbalized the CDC recommendations which do not include a time line for boosting regardless of other circumstances.
Good point.
Oh, wow though....I don't think the unvaccinated were given a specific time line either.?
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1 hour ago, Tweety said:
I re-read my post and no where did I say you had a four week window and in no where did I say you chose not to get vaccinated with the booster. You were the one that said you were not vaccinated for various reasons and I responded to that.
You as well as I know that you were eligible in October which is ample time for you to have gotten the booster if it had been six months for you (and I can't imagine reading your posts in the vaccine threads and how pro-vaccine you are that you didn't get it right away more than six months ago) and that the timeline was to be six months after the 2nd dose not four weeks.
Your timeline of your booster is your decision but hinting that Fauci never gave a timeline is a bit off, since they clearly said six months later. Now do you have to get it six months to the minute? No he didn't say that. Can you wait given whatever circumstances you have in your life. Certainly and that's your decision. I don't think Beerman and I are criticizing that.
I got my vaccine when my age group was authorized. I wasn't in the first age group approved. You responded to my comment by agreeing that I am non-compliant with Fauci's guidance. I'm simply asking for you to provide the actual language or guidance that indicated that I'm somehow violating Fauci's guidance at this moment. There seems to be some expectation from Beerman that if an individual doesn't immediately boost they don't value the recommendation from Dr Fauci...or maybe that expectation is specific to me.
The time line of my booster is my decision influenced by events and circumstances and collaboration. A delay in vaccination with a plan is neither a refusal nor noncompliance.
I got my vaccine when my age group was authorized. I wasn't in the first age group approved. You responded to my comment by agreeing that I am non-compliant with Fauci's guidance. I'm simply asking for you to provide the actual language or guidance that indicated that I'm somehow violating Fauci's guidance at this moment. There seems to be some expectation from Beerman that if an individual doesn't immediately boost they don't value the recommendation from Dr Fauci...or maybe that expectation is specific to me.
The time line of my booster is my decision influenced by events and circumstances and collaboration. A delay in vaccination with a plan is neither a refusal nor noncompliance.
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I haven't followed his guidance how? Please explain specifically. I'm certain that you can find his exact words. Perhaps you are projecting ruffled feathers onto me. It's not a personal issue, my ego is not in some way attached to Fauci. I'm simply aware of the smear campaign that was initiated against Fauci by Trump and the resultant wave of public criticism that followed. So, no, when you repeat that sort of rhetoric I'm not ruffled, I'm persistent.
I don't recall stating that a booster wasn't necessary at this time. I recall explaining that until I can obtain a booster my exposure and personal risk for exposure and infection is not high. I suspect that you have a habit of reading my comments with a heavy bias as you frequently mischaracterize my words.