COVID-19: I'm Doing My Own Research

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by KathyDay KathyDay

Specializes in Patient Safety Advocate; HAI Prevention.

When nursing advice was given during the pandemic, often the response was, "I'm doing my own research." What did that mean? What resources could be trusted? What were they reading that made some of them have such a different take on COVID issues than I had? This article may help to decipher some of that, and at the end, I offer up some of my most trusted resources for pandemic medical and preventative information.

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CHOOZLIFE

CHOOZLIFE

4 Posts

I have had a generalized mistrust of our government, the CDC, and the WHO for a long time. Sure, there’s some truth put forward in all of these entities, but I believe there are a lot of lies as well. 
 

I’ve been an RN for 15 years. I appreciate your standpoint and it sounds like you have firm beliefs and complete trust that the people in power in high places are looking out for our best interests. In a sense, I wish I could do the same, but I cannot. 
 

I noticed you didn’t mention anything about the Great Reset and am wondering if you have been made aware of it? Written by Klaus Schwab. 
 

I can also relate to how you desperately wanted to inform your family of what you perceive and believe to be best pertaining to COVID-19 and treatments/vaccines etc. I felt the same way, but opposite. I did my own research. Did you know the vaccines are only EUA as are the medications frequently ordered to treat it? If so, how can you believe in them when we, the people, are the study group? It hasn’t been completed yet, not til 2023 I believe it is. 
 

I’m not trying to offend, just trying to understand another point of view. 

chare

3,567 Posts

10 hours ago, nursej22 said:

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Did you hear about the case where a woman and her daughter's electronic messages were subpoenaed to demonstrate she had a medication abortion? Who's to say a medical record wouldn't be subpoenaed for information about someone's last period? 

Is this the case you're referring to?

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Evidence against a Norfolk, Nebraska, mother and her teen in a case alleging an illegal abortion is opening a new digital front in the national battle over abortion.

Police allege in court documents that Celeste Burgess, then 17 years old, told police in April that she had suffered a miscarriage in a bathtub at her home. She said she and her mom buried the stillborn, the documents show.

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facebook data used to prosecute Nebraska mother, daughter after alleged abortion

Wuzzie

4,848 Posts

10 hours ago, nursej22 said:

I'm not sure how you can determine that from a third hand account. 

Maybe the girl is an angel but it was a snotty and unnecessary response. Usually nice people don't talk this way.

 

10 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Did you hear about the case where a woman and her daughter's electronic messages were subpoenaed to demonstrate she had a medication abortion? Who's to say a medical record wouldn't be subpoenaed for information about someone's last period? 

You're leaving out a great deal of information about this case which makes it appear you are being deliberately disingenuous and providing fodder for those who support what SCOTUS did.  Provocative half-truths are not helpful and will harm the cause.

 

Edited by Wuzzie

nursej22, MSN, RN

Specializes in Public Health, TB. Has 37 years experience. 2,601 Posts

3 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

 

You're leaving out a great deal of information about this case which makes it appear you are being deliberately disingenuous and providing fodder for those who support what SCOTUS did.  Provocative half-truths are not helpful and will harm the cause.

 

Wow, it's like you can read my mind! And the girl in question! 

Wuzzie

4,848 Posts

1 minute ago, nursej22 said:

Wow, it's like you can read my mind! And the girl in question! 

 I said it "appears" you are being disingenuous. I've given you an opening to clarify but you chose to be snarky instead. The situation to which you referred is not exactly how you presented it. I explained how half-truths are not helpful in furthering the cause of empowering women yet you've doubled down.  Slinging insults is really counterproductive. I'd rather have a grown-up conversation with you. If that's not possible then carry on. 

nursej22, MSN, RN

Specializes in Public Health, TB. Has 37 years experience. 2,601 Posts

2 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

 I said it "appears" you are being disingenuous. I've given you an opening to clarify but you chose to be snarky instead. The situation to which you referred is not exactly how you presented it. I explained how half-truths are not helpful in furthering the cause of empowering women yet you've doubled down.  Slinging insults is really counterproductive. I'd rather have a grown-up conversation with you. If that's not possible then carry on. 

Slinging insults? You are the one who labeled a complete stranger "a snot." 

Sure, you gave me an opening with a vague accusation of being disingenuous. Perhaps you would care to point out the half-truths I presented. I gave a brief summary: a mother and daughter had their private messages subpoenaed by a court in their case accusing them of a medication abortion.  

So yeah, I omitted that it was a facebook message. And it took place in Nebraska. And I did not go into details about the legal case. My intent was to point out to other readers that one cannot assume that electronic communications cannot be accessed by legal authorities. I'm not sure how this affects your cause.

Chare has kindly linked an article regarding this incident. 

Talk of SCOTUS seems to me to belong under the political forum. 

Wuzzie

4,848 Posts

48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Slinging Insults? You are the one who labeled a complete stranger "a snot." 

I did not call YOU a snot...how on earth could you be insulted by something I said about someone who we don't even know exists? She gave a snotty answer. In my book that is a snot. 

 

48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Sure, you gave me an opening with a vague accusation of being disingenuous. 

No I said it gives the appearance and I'm not sure you wanted that. You are doing exactly what you accused me of, reading my mind. 

 

48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I did not go into details about the legal case.

You made it sound like they subpoenaed "private" records to prove an abortion took place. That is only partially true. facebook, as a social media platform, has never offered a guarantee of privacy. They sued for the messages because a mother, with no medical training, performed an abortion on her 28 week pregnant teenage daughter and they burned and tossed the fetus/baby (whatever term suits you). The body was found and a criminal case ensued. This was not an example of an overreach for information.

48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

So yeah, I omitted that it was a facebook message.

That omission was kind of important I think. The moral of this is don't put on facebook things you don't want other people to read. I would think most are aware of this but maybe not. Bottom line is,  this is not an example of any sort of witch hunt that proves women need to be afraid to answer simple questions asked by a healthcare provider. If they don't want to answer them they just have to say that. Being rude is not empowering or pro-active. 

FTR: I'm not the one who brought SCOTUS into this. It was another poster. 

 

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Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development. Has 17 years experience. 5 Articles; 11,136 Posts

The topic of this article is COVID - let’s please stick to that. Discussion of other current events can be taken to the Politics Club in the Breakroom. 

toomuchbaloney

toomuchbaloney

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice. Has 43 years experience. 8,973 Posts

6 hours ago, CHOOZLIFE said:

I have had a generalized mistrust of our government, the CDC, and the WHO for a long time. Sure, there’s some truth put forward in all of these entities, but I believe there are a lot of lies as well. 
 

I’ve been an RN for 15 years. I appreciate your standpoint and it sounds like you have firm beliefs and complete trust that the people in power in high places are looking out for our best interests. In a sense, I wish I could do the same, but I cannot. 
 

I noticed you didn’t mention anything about the Great Reset and am wondering if you have been made aware of it? Written by Klaus Schwab. 
 

I can also relate to how you desperately wanted to inform your family of what you perceive and believe to be best pertaining to COVID-19 and treatments/vaccines etc. I felt the same way, but opposite. I did my own research. Did you know the vaccines are only EUA as are the medications frequently ordered to treat it? If so, how can you believe in them when we, the people, are the study group? It hasn’t been completed yet, not til 2023 I believe it is. 
 

I’m not trying to offend, just trying to understand another point of view. 

The Pfizer and Moderna covid vaccines are fully approved for use in the USA by the FDA. No one is forced to receive an "emergency use" medication to treat their covid illness, most people needing them are glad that they are available and free. 

nursej22, MSN, RN

Specializes in Public Health, TB. Has 37 years experience. 2,601 Posts

I happily accepted mRNA vaccines when they were first available, and have since had 2 boosters, with no ill effect. I did contract COVID after the second booster, however, I was asymptomatic. I did not qualify for one of the therapeutics, but if I did and it was offered, I would have taken it. 

Incidentally I had a chest CT for an unrelated reason, and it showed lung scarring. No way to know if it was related to my bout of COVID, but I have no reason to have it otherwise. 

MaxAttack, BSN, RN

Specializes in Trauma/surgical/neuro critical care. Has 7 years experience. 396 Posts

15 hours ago, CHOOZLIFE said:

I felt the same way, but opposite. I did my own research. Did you know the vaccines are only EUA as are the medications frequently ordered to treat it? If so, how can you believe in them when we, the people, are the study group? It hasn’t been completed yet, not til 2023 I believe it is. 

This is a perfect example of how toxic "I did my own research" can be.

Emergent, RN

Specializes in ER. Has 29 years experience. 2 Articles; 4,014 Posts

A teenage girl was snotty? 

What kind of normal stuff is going on here???🧐 I demand a full investigation!