When nursing advice was given during the pandemic, often the response was, "I'm doing my own research." What did that mean? What resources could be trusted? What were they reading that made some of them have such a different take on COVID issues than I had? This article may help to decipher some of that, and at the end, I offer up some of my most trusted resources for pandemic medical and preventative information.
How many times did we hear this over the past few years and during the worst of the pandemic? Even though all media resources told us that thousands upon thousands of people of all ages were dying from COVID 19, many decided they could instantaneously become an expert on infectious diseases. All they had to do was Google it, facebook it, Twitter it, or whatever. Every newspaper and TV station covered COVID ad nauseum, and they were also the experts. Books were written about it, and documentaries were done. So, how was anyone to know who to trust?
Before the pandemic, I trusted my doctor! So, when my 74-year-old brother, who self-identifies as a conservative reborn Christian, got sick with COVID, I figured he would trust his doctor and me too! We had some pretty frustrating discussions about his illness and what to do about it. After 3 days of long-distance (Maine/SC) nurse lectures with him about his declining condition and his difficulty breathing and weakness, I finally convinced him to call 911. He was at the point where he knew he should go but was too weak to drive himself there. His doctor had advised him to get a pulse oximeter, and his blood oxygen was around 86% when he decided to go to the hospital. He was hospitalized and got the same treatment as his guy, President Trump. And, he did well. Then several weeks later, I asked if he was going to get the vaccine so that he wouldn't get COVID a second time, or at least he wouldn't get as sick! He said, "I don't know. I'm doing my own research". So there was my new challenge as his sister and a nurse to convince him that immunity from an active case of COVID isn't reliable, and EXPERTS were advising that we get the vaccine. My final plea to him was, "At least ask your doctor about it." He did, and after she advised him to, he got the vaccinations and booster.
I actively participated in some very disturbing and angry conversations about COVID, the seriousness of it, and then the need for vaccines in discussion groups and in comments to newspapers and other media comments/conversations. And yes, I know this is a good way to beat yourself up! The level of distrust and confusion, and downright ignorance was astounding. And, it got nasty at times. People would quote and link to articles from known disinformation and misinformation resources and say that was their proof that the vaccine was garbage, or deadly or ineffective, etc. I got an email from a good friend who is a Maine State Representative. She asked me if someone had died as a result of getting the vaccine in Maine. She sent me a link to an obituary that stated that the cause of death was the vaccination! So, even families of the deceased who were writing obituaries were spreading misinformation. I would not answer her question until I communicated with my trusted resources at the Maine CDC. Nobody had died as a result of getting the vaccinations in Maine.
Gossip, politics, hatred, ignorance, divisiveness, and so much more have played into our guidance and actions during the pandemic. I learned quickly not to listen to garbage. I listened to and took my own medical advice from trusted resources and learned as much as I could. Also, to get me with the program, there were some courses on Coursera that I completed. I got two COVID-related certifications that I didn't use professionally, but I did use them when advising friends and family.
As a patient safety advocate and activist, I would never tell people not to question any treatment or other healthcare advice. However, I warn them to be sure that what they are "researching themselves" should be reliable and accurate information. No resource is 100% accurate, including the CDC website or other healthcare information resources. But certainly, the CDC's content is much more reliable than, let's say, a politician's guidance.
And, perhaps the most important resource for health, medical and preventative advice and information for anyone, is their trusted doctor or other healthcare provider. We all took advice from them prior to the pandemic ... and during the pandemic most (but not all) doctors gave solid guidance.
Two sources of information I refused to consider or listen to were politicians and anti-vaxxers. The advice that came from the President of the United States (politician) during the worst of the pandemic was horrid ... just plain crazy talk. He fancied himself some sort of scientist or genius, and nothing could be further from the truth. How many people harmed themselves by cleansing with bleach ... inside or out, or taking unproven/ineffective drugs for COVID? He had no idea what he was talking about or how powerful words from the POTUS were. And, some doctors are politicians, so we must be aware of that. An example is the guy that Trump brought in at the end of his administration, Scott Atlas. My colleague actually reported him to the California State Medical Board for his wild harmful advice on COVID and vaccinations. He completely contradicted accepted practices and science on how to control this pandemic. He was only one of many to beware of. Even after feeding regular citizens lies and misinformation ... President Trump got the best known (at that time) treatment for his own case of COVID, and he also got the vaccinations when they were available. His advice came out of both sides of his mouth, but he did the right things for his own health when he got sick.
The media had a heyday with COVID information and misinformation, and for the average person with no medical background or experience, it was overwhelming at times. It was overwhelming for me, too. And, it was exhausting. I listened faithfully to Dr. Nirav Shah, Director of the Maine CDC, on our local TV station almost every time he presented. He was exceptionally well trained and prepared for this work, and he welcomed questions and comments. His patient, intelligent demeanor was like a soothing salve during our time of staying away from each other. He coalesced the citizens of Maine, or at least the ones who were not hell-bent on doing all the wrong things, and he never lost his cool. His advice was science-based and given in a kind way. Maine is very lucky to have him.
One may ask, "where can I find the best COVID information and guidance? I would take it down to about three (3) resources. Keeping abreast of Statewide COVID information, mandates, data, and guidance is best done at the State level CDC webpages and television updates because it could be different for each State. I'd add that local Public Health experts and departments are an excellent information source. Getting personal medical advice should always come from your personal doctor, the one you trusted prior to the pandemic. Anything beyond that we can learn from the Federal level CDC. None of their information is complete or always up to date, but it seems to be the most reliable and true. These resources are always being updated, particularly when we were learning more and more about the novel virus, COVID 19. I always found the WHO information to be comparable to the CDC. I don't think there is any harm in Googling and learning whatever we can about COVID or other health information, but it's important to understand that not all of that information is reliable, and some is even outrageous.
I'm happy to say that now, not every minute of my day is consumed by the pandemic. However, a recent visit with my sweet sister-in-law gave us pause. She spent a few days prior to coming to my home with good friends who got sick and tested positive for COVID. They told her about it her first morning here in my home. She was devastated, and I was too! this was our first visit in almost three years. What to do! I used my trusted resources on the CDC website to get exact and effective information. We figured out that if we visited outside mostly, and she stayed in our camper hooked up in our driveway, we could still have a fantastic visit. We shared our free COVID tests with her. When my husband took her to pick up her rental car, they both masked and kept the car windows open. It was a little weird, but it worked out. And, she never tested positive, thank goodness.
10 hours ago, nursej22 said:[...]
Did you hear about the case where a woman and her daughter's electronic messages were subpoenaed to demonstrate she had a medication abortion? Who's to say a medical record wouldn't be subpoenaed for information about someone's last period?
Is this the case you're referring to?
QuoteEvidence against a Norfolk, Nebraska, mother and her teen in a case alleging an illegal abortion is opening a new digital front in the national battle over abortion.
Police allege in court documents that Celeste Burgess, then 17 years old, told police in April that she had suffered a miscarriage in a bathtub at her home. She said she and her mom buried the stillborn, the documents show.
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facebook data used to prosecute Nebraska mother, daughter after alleged abortion
10 hours ago, nursej22 said:I'm not sure how you can determine that from a third hand account.
Maybe the girl is an angel but it was a snotty and unnecessary response. Usually nice people don't talk this way.
10 hours ago, nursej22 said:Did you hear about the case where a woman and her daughter's electronic messages were subpoenaed to demonstrate she had a medication abortion? Who's to say a medical record wouldn't be subpoenaed for information about someone's last period?
You're leaving out a great deal of information about this case which makes it appear you are being deliberately disingenuous and providing fodder for those who support what SCOTUS did. Provocative half-truths are not helpful and will harm the cause.
3 hours ago, Wuzzie said:
You're leaving out a great deal of information about this case which makes it appear you are being deliberately disingenuous and providing fodder for those who support what SCOTUS did. Provocative half-truths are not helpful and will harm the cause.
Wow, it's like you can read my mind! And the girl in question!
1 minute ago, nursej22 said:Wow, it's like you can read my mind! And the girl in question!
I said it "appears" you are being disingenuous. I've given you an opening to clarify but you chose to be snarky instead. The situation to which you referred is not exactly how you presented it. I explained how half-truths are not helpful in furthering the cause of empowering women yet you've doubled down. Slinging insults is really counterproductive. I'd rather have a grown-up conversation with you. If that's not possible then carry on.
2 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:I said it "appears" you are being disingenuous. I've given you an opening to clarify but you chose to be snarky instead. The situation to which you referred is not exactly how you presented it. I explained how half-truths are not helpful in furthering the cause of empowering women yet you've doubled down. Slinging insults is really counterproductive. I'd rather have a grown-up conversation with you. If that's not possible then carry on.
Slinging insults? You are the one who labeled a complete stranger "a snot."
Sure, you gave me an opening with a vague accusation of being disingenuous. Perhaps you would care to point out the half-truths I presented. I gave a brief summary: a mother and daughter had their private messages subpoenaed by a court in their case accusing them of a medication abortion.
So yeah, I omitted that it was a facebook message. And it took place in Nebraska. And I did not go into details about the legal case. My intent was to point out to other readers that one cannot assume that electronic communications cannot be accessed by legal authorities. I'm not sure how this affects your cause.
Chare has kindly linked an article regarding this incident.
Talk of SCOTUS seems to me to belong under the political forum.
48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:Slinging Insults? You are the one who labeled a complete stranger "a snot."
I did not call YOU a snot...how on earth could you be insulted by something I said about someone who we don't even know exists? She gave a snotty answer. In my book that is a snot.
48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:Sure, you gave me an opening with a vague accusation of being disingenuous.
No I said it gives the appearance and I'm not sure you wanted that. You are doing exactly what you accused me of, reading my mind.
48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:I did not go into details about the legal case.
You made it sound like they subpoenaed "private" records to prove an abortion took place. That is only partially true. facebook, as a social media platform, has never offered a guarantee of privacy. They sued for the messages because a mother, with no medical training, performed an abortion on her 28 week pregnant teenage daughter and they burned and tossed the fetus/baby (whatever term suits you). The body was found and a criminal case ensued. This was not an example of an overreach for information.
48 minutes ago, nursej22 said:So yeah, I omitted that it was a facebook message.
That omission was kind of important I think. The moral of this is don't put on facebook things you don't want other people to read. I would think most are aware of this but maybe not. Bottom line is, this is not an example of any sort of witch hunt that proves women need to be afraid to answer simple questions asked by a healthcare provider. If they don't want to answer them they just have to say that. Being rude is not empowering or pro-active.
FTR: I'm not the one who brought SCOTUS into this. It was another poster.
6 hours ago, CHOOZLIFE said:I have had a generalized mistrust of our government, the CDC, and the WHO for a long time. Sure, there’s some truth put forward in all of these entities, but I believe there are a lot of lies as well.
I’ve been an RN for 15 years. I appreciate your standpoint and it sounds like you have firm beliefs and complete trust that the people in power in high places are looking out for our best interests. In a sense, I wish I could do the same, but I cannot.
I noticed you didn’t mention anything about the Great Reset and am wondering if you have been made aware of it? Written by Klaus Schwab.
I can also relate to how you desperately wanted to inform your family of what you perceive and believe to be best pertaining to COVID-19 and treatments/vaccines etc. I felt the same way, but opposite. I did my own research. Did you know the vaccines are only EUA as are the medications frequently ordered to treat it? If so, how can you believe in them when we, the people, are the study group? It hasn’t been completed yet, not til 2023 I believe it is.
I’m not trying to offend, just trying to understand another point of view.
The Pfizer and Moderna covid vaccines are fully approved for use in the USA by the FDA. No one is forced to receive an "emergency use" medication to treat their covid illness, most people needing them are glad that they are available and free.
I happily accepted mRNA vaccines when they were first available, and have since had 2 boosters, with no ill effect. I did contract COVID after the second booster, however, I was asymptomatic. I did not qualify for one of the therapeutics, but if I did and it was offered, I would have taken it.
Incidentally I had a chest CT for an unrelated reason, and it showed lung scarring. No way to know if it was related to my bout of COVID, but I have no reason to have it otherwise.
15 hours ago, CHOOZLIFE said:I felt the same way, but opposite. I did my own research. Did you know the vaccines are only EUA as are the medications frequently ordered to treat it? If so, how can you believe in them when we, the people, are the study group? It hasn’t been completed yet, not til 2023 I believe it is.
This is a perfect example of how toxic "I did my own research" can be.
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I have had a generalized mistrust of our government, the CDC, and the WHO for a long time. Sure, there’s some truth put forward in all of these entities, but I believe there are a lot of lies as well.
I’ve been an RN for 15 years. I appreciate your standpoint and it sounds like you have firm beliefs and complete trust that the people in power in high places are looking out for our best interests. In a sense, I wish I could do the same, but I cannot.
I noticed you didn’t mention anything about the Great Reset and am wondering if you have been made aware of it? Written by Klaus Schwab.
I can also relate to how you desperately wanted to inform your family of what you perceive and believe to be best pertaining to COVID-19 and treatments/vaccines etc. I felt the same way, but opposite. I did my own research. Did you know the vaccines are only EUA as are the medications frequently ordered to treat it? If so, how can you believe in them when we, the people, are the study group? It hasn’t been completed yet, not til 2023 I believe it is.
I’m not trying to offend, just trying to understand another point of view.