COVID-19 and extinction of human species

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I predict that in 3-4 weeks time there will be significant discussion brought to light by academic epidemiologists on Twitter about COVID-19 as a possible extinction event. I could be wrong, but let's look at the numbers. We have a contagious disease that is as deadly as the 1918 pandemic with all of modern medicine being thrown at it. In 1918, the 5% of critically ill covid-19 cases would surely have died - excluding those rare minor miracles. A higher percentage of patients requiring admission, but not intubation, would also surely pass away.

Nobody is certain that we will be able to keep up a sophisticated level of care, and in that case you're looking at a significant jump in mortality rate as critically and moderately ill patients cannot be treated due to the overwhelming surge.

COVID-19 is not showing many signs of being susceptible to weather. Hot and humid locations across our own country are seeing their own exponential outbreaks. Any flattening of the curve will only last until social distancing measures are lifted. Nobody can be absolutely certain that active immunity (antibodies made after an infection) will last long enough to prevent yearly reinfection, and so there is the possibility that we'll see this return year after year.

Unless we develop a vaccine, we will have an endemic virus that infects 50-70% of our population and has a mortality rate that is 2-5x that of the spanish flu and will cripple a healthcare system that doesn't find a way to grow itself by 3-400% whilst protecting the workers.

The birth rate is only 1.8% folks. Essentially, we'll be spending 7% our of money and only getting 1.8% back in returns. The principle won't last forever and the human race will eventually go out of business.

Thoughts?

Eye-opening video about intubation.

21 hours ago, janelleb said:

We cannot continuously rely on the pharmaceutical establishment like vaccines to save us from disease! Why are there no voices espousing the incredibly advanced and profoundly effective immune system? As nurses, we should know how complex, intricate, and strong the immune system is intended to be. But it needs to be built up and supported continuously.

Given the suppression of our immunity by the inadequate nutrition available in grocery stores and intensely strong advertising to each of us and our children to poor quality, devoid of nutrients edible food-like products (constructed in labs specifically to addict us - look it up) it is no surprise that this virus appears to be so menacing. Our immune systems are totally impotent in fighting.

An OVER REACTIVE immune system is what mainly kills people with covid 19. Many diseases, illnesses, are DUE TO an over reactive immune system. They are called "autoimmune diseases".

I've said this ad nauseam....studies, after the fact, of WW II concentration camps, suggested that the better fed, warmly dressed, etc., concentration camp guards were more adversely affected by measle epidemics than the obviously underfed, poorly dressed, etc., inmates!

You're correct, the immune system is very complex. It is not so simple as eat well and boost your immune system. If you even want it "boosted".

Specializes in Psychiatric and Mental Health NP (PMHNP).

Personally, I think your question was ridiculous and silly, which is why your education was questioned not only by me, but by others.

I think we all understand hypotheticals, but a serious discussion is based on something that is plausible. Your question was not and I'm sorry, but it demonstrated a woeful lack of understanding of epidemiology, medical history, and the term "extinction event." This is why I wondered about your education.

If you don't want to discuss the intricacies of a particular pathogen, then take a hike. There is no rule against discussing hypothetical circumstances that are certainly circulating in conversations between experts outside of the public eye.

An endemic virus, with limited active immunity, lacking a vaccine, that would kill 5-10% of those infected without intubation, would pose a threat to humans given particular circumstances. Going to try to get this into your head again, the bubonic plague had a CFR of around 6%; not 50%! The plague suddenly vanished. Whereas, the most qualified experts do not expect covid-19 to go anywhere until we have an effective vaccine - which is easier said than done.

It isn't a silly question; it is a particular reality that isn't impossible.

Specializes in Psychiatric and Mental Health NP (PMHNP).
4 hours ago, DannyBoy8 said:

I never said that it was in fact certainly a threat that would definitely cause extinction. Ready the *** post, I posited that academic epidemiologists will be discussing it as such in an academic nature on Twitter!

Yes, it hasn't happened yet and it won't happen. What will be discussed is lessons learned from this and how we can be better prepared for the next pandemic.

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

We'll try really hard not to offend others while we amuse ourselves with apocalyptic speculation...

Who will write the next pandemic thriller that finds its roots in the global pandemic experience of 2020? A work of fiction that crashes incompetent and corrupt leadership headlong into a dangerous viral outbreak as the planet struggles with changing climate patterns. It could be an exciting read...

The Earth Abides was realistic, not a "thriller" about a global pandemic. Left all the politics out of the equation. Mostly about how the few survivors coped in the aftermath. No crazy cults, no zombies, no Mad Max, just people doing the best they could. Shocking I know, how could that be?

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
On 4/6/2020 at 11:07 AM, NormaSaline said:

Eye-opening video about intubation.

Thanks for posting this. I will forward to several CRNA's who are working in ICU's.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 hours ago, brownbook said:

The Earth Abides was realistic, not a "thriller" about a global pandemic. Left all the politics out of the equation. Mostly about how the few survivors coped in the aftermath. No crazy cults, no zombies, no Mad Max, just people doing the best they could. Shocking I know, how could that be?

I believe that most apocalyptic fiction involving a contagion focus on other than politics. The draw of the story is how the pandemics creep to devastating proportions, kill a bunch of people in the first wave and then kill a bunch more in the second wave setting off a cascade of societal failures and miscalculations. The real thrill comes in discovering how modern man survives the collapse of his society... in the story telling. The politics are just generic, usually, hesitation and reluctant leadership. That all seems seems common plus add some crazy scientist who tried to warn the government.

LOL

Is it possible for CV19 to decimate humankind? Sure it is, if in the unlikely event of a mutation that turns it into something like Ebola.

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