California 1st in nation to require vaccines for health care workers

[hppygr8ful]

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Today, the State of California is taking decisive action to combat the spread of COVID-19 and protect vulnerable communities – implementing a first-in-the-nation standard to require all state workers and workers in health care and high-risk congregate settings to either ...

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California Implements First-in-the-Nation Measures to Encourage State Employees and Health Care Workers to Get Vaccinated

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

13 hours ago, Soloist said:

.As far as it goes though, if anyone could qualify for a religious objection I could... So far every mandate has a religious exemption... I'm hunting for other lines of work though. 

So Are you a member of the Church of Christ Scientists or the Dutch Reformed Church because these are the only two Christian faiths that prohibit vaccination. Islam forbids it due to the vaccine containing pork derivitives, but the Pope in Rome has issued a Papel Inciclical stating that while each member of the faith should act according to conscience, The Catholic Church encourages vaccination to protect the common welfare of the people. 

Hppy

[missej2002]

12 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Your paranoia and fears are unfounded.  You should stop spreading them.  It's dangerous. 

My paranoia and fears, is history. You don't have to agree with me but don't attempt to make my opinions sound crazy. Everything I stated is true. We usually have the right to refuse treatment if we don't agree with it, that's a fact. Vaccines are trailed longer than a year, that's a fact. Everything medication has different effects on everyone, that's a fact. We don't know long term side effects cause its still new, that's a fact. I have told any false lies, or wild theories like microchips, etc. I stated why I am not taking the vaccine, but for those who want it more power to them, that's great, glad it's available for those who would want it, I see no problem with it since you're choosing to take it.  

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

My husband is a scientist as he opines that this pandemic is an extinction level event and there is actually a purpose behind the refusal of vaccines which is to "Thin the herd" this is actually being talked about by experts in the field of evolutionary science. They cite a large reduction in Global population as the corrective action needed to solve many of the planet's man made ills.

Which is not to say that I would wish this disease on anyone. However when people who say they are hesitant because they want more information but then reject all efforts to answer said questions I got nothing left and will concentrate my efforts on those who have the capacity to learn what I am offering. 

Hppy

[missej2002]

6 hours ago, Tweety said:

Every medication has side effects and this is true.  Every medication in trials has made people sick and even caused some people to die, even Tylenol. 

There are over a billion people in the world fully vaccinated.  So one has to look at the risks vs. benefits.  How are those people doing and what percentage are not doing well.  

No we don't have the luxury of knowing what the long term side effects are going to be other than looking at the long-term side effects of vaccines in general are which are generally no side effects.

We have six unvaccinated persons on the unit where I work.  Just one unit and five of them are out sick with covid.  All of the vaccinated persons are not sick, nor have any "long term side effects" if you can call nine months "long term" which is when it was rolled out to healthcare workers here last December, and the volunteers many months prior to that.   But of course we don't know what will happen years from now but again risks vs. benefits.

I'm beginning to think "you don't know what the long term side effects are" is a weak argument when you look at the big picture.

I believe in choice but it's hardship on me that five coworkers are out sick, one of whom has her entire family infected with two of them in the hospital,  and I'm tired of horrible ratios and overtime because the people are out with covid.  Plus the patients are getting crappy care while coming to the ER in droves.  

I know that people have to think of themselves and think "I'm not willing to take the side effects, I worry about the long term effects, I worry that it was rolled out too fast, I want to get pregnant" and every single argument.  But you have to make that decision knowing the hardships you are causing others and may cause yourself and those around you.  

Own it and you don't care.

Sounds like you are  frustrated, overworked, and unstaffed, like every healthcare system. But it's not getting better, cause these mandates jab or no job, are making more people leave than stay. Cause everyone is tried, and frustrated so this do or else that most hospitals are doing, it's not making staff get the jab, most are walking away and finding employment somewhere else. 

 

[missej2002]

11 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Seat belts? Air bags? Speed limits? Prohibiting driving under the influence? 

All these things are already laws. But I guess we can throw in States that say abortions illegal, under falsehood it's not what God would want. Even though we're to keep church and state separate. 

[missej2002]

11 hours ago, nursej22 said:

I put "rights" in quotation marks ( not parentheses) because I do not believe an employee has a right to refuse a condition of employment, unless it is illegal, or violates a religious belief. And the mandates in my area make an allowance for religion, and everyone has the option to test frequently instead. 

And as has been said, there is not vaccine available today with long term adverse effects that did not appear within the first 2 months. So yeah, I have small pox scar 60 years after I got it, but that showed up shortly after the immunization. 

Yes, some terrible things have been done in the past to minorities and to disabled people, emphasis on past. The  COVID vaccine development began early last year, while the lipid nano particle delivery system was developed long before this year. 

I remember the elation when vaccines finally became available, and when rates started to fall it seemed like the light at the end of the tunnel. But now with the seeming rise in vaccine refusal, I feel dread. 

Where, I wonder, was all the talk about vaccine refusal  when the former guy was in office, and tried to get vaccines approved before the safely data was in? 

I can't speak for others, but yes I was definitely declining the vaccine when the former guy was in office. Cause he's a liar and idiot, don't trust him. He spread so many false lies and not because he believes them, but because he knew his followers did. 

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

9 minutes ago, missej2002 said:

Sounds like you are  frustrated, overworked, and unstaffed, like every healthcare system. But it's not getting better, cause these mandates jab or no job, are making more people leave than stay. Cause everyone is tried, and frustrated so this do or else that most hospitals are doing, it's not making staff get the jab, most are walking away and finding employment somewhere else. 

 

I'm very much tired and frustrated.  A nurse developed symptoms had had to go home today.  Had to pick up part of her load.  Hope it ends soon or I will be one of those casualties.  And I don't even work a covid unit.

Thanks for listening

[missej2002]

1 minute ago, Tweety said:

I'm very much tired and frustrated.  A nurse developed symptoms had had to go home today.  Had to pick up part of her load.  Hope it ends soon or I will be one of those casualties.  And I don't even work a covid unit.

Thanks for listening

I work ED, we're also a small unit. We have 2 currently out cause they have covid. But most of the staff git covid during the first wave last Summer and in the fall. 

It's a frustrating time at every job. Healthcare is unstaffed. Those who worked from home for over a year are informed they have to come back to the office, a majority don't cause it's been peaceful working at home. Those we lost their job during covid found other ways to make money, so they're not returning to those jobs. The world is stressed, we just have to try and have patience in we’re out and about, yes it will take a long time to get food, somethings are out in the stores, but screaming at worker and belittling them will not make anything better.  If anything this last year taught me is life is to short. 

[toomuchbaloney]

33 minutes ago, missej2002 said:

My paranoia and fears, is history. You don't have to agree with me but don't attempt to make my opinions sound crazy. Everything I stated is true. We usually have the right to refuse treatment if we don't agree with it, that's a fact. Vaccines are trailed longer than a year, that's a fact. Everything medication has different effects on everyone, that's a fact. We don't know long term side effects cause its still new, that's a fact. I have told any false lies, or wild theories like microchips, etc. I stated why I am not taking the vaccine, but for those who want it more power to them, that's great, glad it's available for those who would want it, I see no problem with it since you're choosing to take it.  

You still have the right to refuse the vaccine. Your hyperbole and fears don't change that fact. 

The vaccines are safe and effective.  Your fears about long term side effects are driven by opinion and speculation...it's like a conspiracy theory. 

Choosing to share unfounded fears and thinking that encourages others to delay vaccination is dangerous.  You could be responsible for a person's choice to forgo vaccination and that could result in their infection and death. Your words are irresponsible.  We don't need to know why you've decided to gamble with a vaccine preventable disease.

Stop sharing your vaccine fears. 

[toomuchbaloney]

34 minutes ago, missej2002 said:

Sounds like you are  frustrated, overworked, and unstaffed, like every healthcare system. But it's not getting better, cause these mandates jab or no job, are making more people leave than stay. Cause everyone is tried, and frustrated so this do or else that most hospitals are doing, it's not making staff get the jab, most are walking away and finding employment somewhere else. 

 

No one cares that nurses who don't believe in science, data or evidence are leaving the profession.  We care that so many poorly educated and selfish nurses were practicing and representing the profession in such a undesired manner. 

[SmilingBluEyes]

1 hour ago, missej2002 said:

I work ED, we're also a small unit. We have 2 currently out cause they have covid. But most of the staff git covid during the first wave last Summer and in the fall. 

It's a frustrating time at every job. Healthcare is unstaffed. Those who worked from home for over a year are informed they have to come back to the office, a majority don't cause it's been peaceful working at home. Those we lost their job during covid found other ways to make money, so they're not returning to those jobs. The world is stressed, we just have to try and have patience in we’re out and about, yes it will take a long time to get food, somethings are out in the stores, but screaming at worker and belittling them will not make anything better.  If anything this last year taught me is life is to short. 

Who's screaming at anyone? I am frustrated beyond belief not just for nursing but for those I love who can't get shots and are vulnerable. I lost a family member to this disease. I am sick and tired of the worry and stress. That is not yelling; it's stating it as it is.

Is someone actually screaming at you? If so that is an HR complaint. If it's an exaggeration, then it's ill-fitted for such a serious subject.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

16 hours ago, missej2002 said:

You are being snarky by putting words in parentheses, it's basically air quotes. But could you tell me the know long-term effects that could happen with any of these vaccines. You can't because we don't know. Every medication has an side effects, nothing is safe. But most drugs have been out long enough for us to choose if we would like to take those chances. 
Every medication, food, surgery, etc we choose if we would take that chance by taking that said treatment. But not giving people an opportunity to choose is wrong.  For those who want the covid19 vaccines I'm happy they are available for you, but those who don't want to take them, it's their right to refuse. 
Also what's next to be mandated, under the falsehood of the greater good, for the safety of people. 

No one is forcing you to take a vaccine.  You just can't work in a health care setting and pretty soon, won't be able to work hardly any place else.  Do you know what is in the laundry detergent?  Do you know what chemicals they have to put in a can of Coke to prevent the Coke from eating through the can?  Do you know if anyone peed on that lettuce you are eating? How long is it appropriate to wait for long-term consequences?