But I have little kids!

angelac1978 · Oct 19, 2003

Originally posted by agent
Obviously I will not be able to make my point to any of you, so I won't even bother.

Carry on like you all are the most important people in the world.

"You will come to know yourself by how you lose yourself to others..."

Agent, I really don't see anyone here saying or acting like they are the most important people in the world. I think what most people are saying is that holidays should be staffed fairly, that those with kids should not always get the holiday off just by virtue of having kids. What is so wrong with holiday work being spread out over everyone? And don't tell me it's because the kids won't understand that mommy or daddy has to work. Kids are adaptable and more intelligent than we give them credit for, they couldn't care less about the day on the calendar!

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KailuaNurse · Oct 19, 2003

Originally posted by HerEyes73
2mg of Valium with a SoCo chaser for all...

LOL!!!:chuckle

SmilingBluEyes · Oct 19, 2003

Trust me, from personal parenting experience, kids DO understand AND there is nothing ON EARTH wrong w/teaching them they are NOT the center of the universe. BUT that would take PARENTS knowing THEY aren't, either.

And no, the ability to breed does not make one more responsible or "Better'"----- just spend a few months in OB nursing for a HUGE BUNCH OF CASES IN POINT.

Grow up agent and others who think people w/kids deserve any special treatment above and beyond those who either choose not or cannot have kids. There a heckuva a lot of parents who should NOT reproduce, truth be told.

Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN · Oct 19, 2003

Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
Trust me, from personal parenting experience, kids DO understand AND there is nothing ON EARTH wrong w/teaching them they are NOT the center of the universe. BUT that would take PARENTS knowing THEY aren't, either.

And no, the ability to breed does not make one more responsible or "Better'"----- just spend a few months in OB nursing for a HUGE BUNCHES OF CASES IN POINT.

Grow up agent and others who think people w/kids deserve any special treatment above and beyond those who either choose not or cannot have kids. There a heckuva a lot of parents who should NOT reproduce, truth be told.

Two thumbs up, SmilingBluEyes!

Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN · Oct 19, 2003

Originally posted by caroladybelle
Actually, No, it generally doesn't mean anything except that they had functioning ovaries/testes and that they have had the chance to have sex with someone.

Well said.

Hellllllo Nurse, BSN, RN · Oct 19, 2003

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Originally posted by agent

I'm sorry but you guys are being really immature.

Once you have kids you will understand. As a guy I think it wouldn't be as hard to miss a holiday, but I cant imagine a new mother with little ones missing christmas.

You two should really wait till you have kids then see what your opinions are.

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Origially posted by JadedNurse

And you should really wait until you are a nurse and then see what your opinions are.

Thumbs up, JadedNurse!

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gwenith, BSN, RN · Oct 19, 2003

Can I bring the arguments about who should and should not to a screeching halt and ask if everyone can consider the question

How can we ensure fair and equitable rostering/scheduling over holiday periods??

Should we think seriously about a "points" system. A years worth of points is say, 60 points a year - that is one point per weekend and 8 public holidays. ( I am not sure what your public holidays are so I pulled a figure out of a hat) Each shift worker is entitled to 20 ponts per year to be taken as and when they like. So if you are not fussed on Christmas but would like every second weekend off then that is what you do, If however you want christmas off then you work other holidays.

Radical idea - might not work in practice but I think it is probably about time we did some creative thinking about an old old problem.

angelbear · Oct 19, 2003

I am most assuredly not the most important person in the world I do however consider myself one of the most blessed people in the world. I was raised in a VERY poor household and because of this was blessed to learn early on what the truely important things in life are. Fast forward...My youngest son is 16 and multihandicapped. We spent the first 5 Christmases of his life and the first 3 Easters of his life not to mention my 18th 19th and 22nd birthday with him in the hospital usually in intensive care hanging on by a thread. Those 5 Christmases spent in the hospital with him were spent with some pretty awsome nurses. I have no idea if they had children or not or if they were working the holiday unwillingly or not because they were far to professional to let their disappointment effect the care they gave my son. Now I myself am a nurse and I have worked the last 5 Christmas Eves I work 3rd and did so gladly. My children did not always understand but my DH and I would remind them of the nurses that took care of us when our youngest was in the hospital and they would then understand. It truely is better to give than to recieve and I am grateful that my children have learned that and now enjoy making sacrifices in order to bring joy to someone else. I unfortunately will not be working any of the major holidays this year as I get to be home recouping from a TAH but hey at leaste it was caught in time and I will most likely get to still be alive for next years holidays. With that I will just say I wish everyone peace and joy for the holidays where ever they are spent.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 19, 2003

Originally posted by agent
Obviously I will not be able to make my point to any of you, so I won't even bother.

Carry on like you all are the most important people in the world.

"You will come to know yourself by how you lose yourself to others..."

Agent, I'm sorry you feel like that. I do wish you would try to state your point because your self-righteous anger isn't attractive. However, I for one am willing to listen and discuss. Or listen and not discuss if that's what you wish. Knowing we are too selfish to understand should not preclude you making your point, should it?

uk_nurse · Oct 19, 2003

I have 3 small children and i request 1 day off out of 365 and that day is xmas day (i dont always get that day off). I work every holiday in the year, due to me swapping shifts. I swap (when i can, which is all time so far this year)) whether its someone with or without children , for whatever reason. But i must admit people do forget you have worked every holiday, which i have done this year so far.

I am sorry but i dont think i am being unreasonable and i am not saying i should be entitled to xmas day, i am just requesting that day and i have worked the last 2 xmases. When i have worked those 2 xmases no one would swap. Sometimes i think i am being taken advantage of at times...stupid me.....:roll

nursemaa · Oct 19, 2003

The bottom line is, hospitals can't shut down for the holidays so we're going to have to work some of them. We alternate- on Christmas one year, off the next (staff can trade holidays if they want to). I think it's time to cease fire! Everyone has family, every one hates working the holidays, but until we figure out how to keep people from being sick during the holidays, we're just going to have to deal with it. My kids grew up knowing I'd work some holidays and they seem to be OK. If I worked 7-3 on Christmas, they opened some gifts with Dad in the morining and the rest when I got home. If I worked 3-11 or 11-7, we did it in the morning. They never really questioned it. I explained that part of Christmas is about giving, and that the sick people in the hospital needed someone to give their time to care for them. Those that I worked with who were single parents packed the kids up to Grandma's which never seemed to be a problem either. I think the kids will deal with whatever needs to be done; maybe it's us moms that don't deal with it so well. Kids understand more than you think if you've taught them that it's not always about them!

nursedawn67, LPN · Oct 19, 2003

All I know is when I had wor work holidays and my kids were little, I used to tell them that I worked it out with Santa/Easter Bunny and they they agreed to come at a special time for us. Such as while we went out to dinner. Hey I'm hoping for Christmas Day off this year, I'm in a new house, new town, no family nearby. I want to be home with my kids and family, but in equal rights I know I'm "low man on the totem pole" and that I may have to work it. I think I stress more over it then my kids do now. Last year when I worked Christmas night/Day (12 hour shifts 6pm-6am) I let the kids "set Up" for christmas "morning". they loved it.