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by Springdaisy04 Springdaisy04 (New) New Nurse

I was written up for something that happened over a week ago. One of my patients who suffered a stroke and is not able to move her arms and legs very well and has difficulty with speech asked me call her husband one night. I dialed the  number for her like I've numerous times before.  They video chat. I stayed a little bit because I had to hold the phone for her. I could not understand what she was saying to her husband. After the conversation ended, the husband called the facility  saying his wife said she was punched in the mouth by her aid. I reported it to the supervisor and it was investigated and the CNA was suspended but has since returned to work. I initially said I was not in the room during the phone call which I  was. I was wrong for lying. Now they were accusing me that I am the one who put the idea in the patient's head and that the family confirmed. Those are all lies, I never said such things. I was with the aid when she was providing care to the resident. I know nothing happened. I know it looks bad when I said I wasn't in the room during the phone call with the patients husband.  I just meant that I didn't stay there long because I put the phone in the patient's hand so she can continue talking with her husband. I then left the room. I explained that to the DON and Administrator.  However a week after the fact. I was called to the office and written up for not being truthful.  I understand that but why did they take so long to decide to write me up. Why did they not write me up when it first happened if they felt I deserved it. Why wait so long. It doesn't make sense to me and seems a little fishy. Maybe I am exaggerating, I don't know. Please any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again. Sorry for the long post.

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Sour Lemon

Has 9 years experience.

If you want to know why they waited a week to write you up, you have to ask them. If I felt like I had been written up unjustly, I'd probably start looking for alternate employment.

6 hours ago, Springdaisy04 said:

Now they were accusing me that I am the one who put the idea in the patient's head and that the family confirmed.

You gave them room to imagine what else your involvement might have been when you chose to lie.

Imagine if you had relayed from the outset what you told us here--that you were there holding the phone for the patient. You would have also been able to comment that you're surprised at the detail of the husband's report since it was difficult to understand anything the patient was saying.

I have seen a number of petty write-ups posted here but honestly in this situation I am not surprised they are perturbed enough to have disciplined you. They would have had to go through the steps of investigating this after the husband's phone call one way or another, but it might have been much easier to get to the bottom of it if you had been forthright.

7 hours ago, Springdaisy04 said:

I initially said I was not in the room during the phone call which I  was. I was wrong for lying.

 

7 hours ago, Springdaisy04 said:

Why did they not write me up when it first happened if they felt I deserved it. Why wait so long. It doesn't make sense to me and seems a little fishy.

I am seriously confused here.

You lied.  

You were disciplined for lying.

Your'e concerned about the amount of time it took them to write you up?  

7 hours ago, Springdaisy04 said:

I know it looks bad when I said I wasn't in the room during the phone call with the patients husband. 

Of course it looks bad- you are a liar.  I don't mean it as an insult, or even a criticism, I mean it literally.  What this means is that any reasonable person will be skeptical about what you say.

You have lost all credibility in this current situation, and will need to earn it back.  In the future, do not be surprised if your truthfulness comes into doubt.

My advice is to stop focusing on the fishy nature of how your bosses are handling this and focus on what you can control.  What you can control is how you manage difficult situations in the future.  

 

If it took them a week to decide to write you up perhaps it took them a week to decide to start a paper trail. I would seek work elsewhere if I were you.

Been there,done that, ASN, RN

Has 33 years experience.

The phone call is not the issue.  The alleged assault is the issue.  You reported the issue and  followed procedure.

 You were written up, because the powers that be are throwing you under the bus for the incident. 

Get outta Dodge.  

speedynurse, ADN, RN, EMT-P

Specializes in ER, Pre-Op, PACU.

It was probably being investigated which is why it took awhile to be written up. There are always a lot of factors when a family or patient reports something. This is especially true if things aren’t adding up with an employee’s work record. Then there are other factors added like management, etc. If you feel like your job is in jeopardy, I would leave while you can.  

Katie82, RN

Specializes in Med Surg, Tele, PH, CM. Has 39 years experience.

To say that post-CVA patients can be a little wonky is an understatement. And I have found that most family members will support this wonkiness because they may not want to acknowledge that "Aunt Matilda" is a little altered. I was once accused of not shaving a patient, even though we shaved him every time he complained. He was completely clean-shaven, but the family chose to believe his complaints, including one who was a co-worker on a different floor. Cause a lot of hard feelings. But they are not writing you up for "putting ideas" in your patient's head, they are writing you up for lying. This is not the end of the world. Not sure why you lied, but if you have a reasonable excuse, I would ask to document it in the paperwork. My theory is that there may be people on the floor who hold you responsible for the CNA being disciplined. They will find out you have been written up and consider it justice. I think they "lying" offense is lighter than the "influencing a patient in a negative way" would have been. Perhaps they see it as going easy on you. Say no more about it. 

Chickenlady, ADN

Specializes in ER, GI, Occ Health. Has 7 years experience.

It may be that the local mgmt wasn't going to write you up but was directed to by higher management.  By lying, you put yourself in a suspicious light in an uncertain situation.  They don't know who to believe. 

londonflo

Specializes in oncology. Has 44 years experience.

On 9/27/2020 at 10:22 PM, Springdaisy04 said:

I was with the aid when she was providing care to the resident. I know nothing happened.

 

On 9/27/2020 at 10:22 PM, Springdaisy04 said:

After the conversation ended, the husband called the facility  saying his wife said she was punched in the mouth by her aid. I reported it to the supervisor and it was investigated and the CNA was suspended but has since returned to work.

Did you realize the aide was innocent of the charge, was suspended, probably there was financial loss and loss of reputation?

 

amoLucia

Specializes in LTC.

Let me get this right - you lied. You admit you lied. And all you're worried about is why it took admin/mgt some time to write you up!?!?

No remorse. No apology to the CNA to whose character assassination you contributed.

Unless there is something else here, I'll be very frank - I don't think I could EVER trust working with you. And I don't think you'll garner much support and trust from your coworkers at your job.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall when this all transpired!

hherrn - my post pretty much echoes yours. 

Been there, done that  - I may have misread your post, but I don't think she's being unjustly thrown under the bus. Looks like cause for the disciplinary action is very legit.

 

 

Here.I.Stand, BSN, RN

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro. Has 16 years experience.

On 9/27/2020 at 10:22 PM, Springdaisy04 said:

I reported it to the supervisor and it was investigated and the CNA was suspended but has since returned to work.

On 9/27/2020 at 10:22 PM, Springdaisy04 said:

I was with the aid when she was providing care to the resident. I know nothing happened.

Wait, WHAT????

Important to remember that the person receiving this sort of phone call from the husband would be obligated to report having received such a call.

The OP didn't really have the option of not reporting this.

It's just that reporting it could have gone like this: "I received a call from Mr. S.  He states that during a phone call Mrs. S told him that [CNA] punched her in the face. I was present with [CNA] during patient care and know that this did not happen. I believe that there may have been a miscommunication between Mr. and Mrs. S because it is very difficult to understand Mrs. S's speech. Just before Mr. S called to make this report, I helped Mrs. S make a phone call to him and during the time that I was in the room (before I left to attend to other duties) I really couldn't understand anything she was saying."

areason4stars, ASN, RN

Specializes in Pediatric Private Duty AND Child/Adolescent Psych. Has 12 years experience.

On 9/27/2020 at 11:22 PM, Springdaisy04 said:

I stayed a little bit because I had to hold the phone for her. I could not understand what she was saying to her husband.

I initially said I was not in the room during the phone call which I  was. I was wrong for lying.

  I just meant that I didn't stay there long because I put the phone in the patient's hand so she can continue talking with her husband. I then left the room. 

I am a little confused did you have to hold the phone for her the whole time? Or did you place it in her hands and left the room?

 

Besides the major issue of lying, maybe they now  think you were in the room the whole time and they are concerned you didn't engage with the patient/ family member when she informed the husband about the abuse initially and reported it right away. Instead the report procedure wasn't followed until after the husband called the unit. Maybe  with them thinking you were in the room for the whole conversation they are questioning why nothing was started on your end right then vs waiting until family member  called the unit.....

areason4stars, ASN, RN

Specializes in Pediatric Private Duty AND Child/Adolescent Psych. Has 12 years experience.

On 9/29/2020 at 8:43 PM, londonflo said:

 

Did you realize the aide was innocent of the charge, was suspended, probably there was financial loss and loss of reputation?

 

 An allegations  would still need to be reported and investigated regardless of  knowing its false.  There is no choice/discretion at least not at my facility. 

Wait what?!?!

The pt accused the CNA of abuse. You lied and said you weren't in the room. You admit that you knew that it never happened, the family thinks you planted the idea in her head ( guessing dementia). The pt must have some deficits since you had to hold the phone.

 

The CNA got suspended for something that you said never happened and the family thinks was a planted idea and YOU are worried about a write up?!?!

Really?

 

Edited by DesiDani

On 9/28/2020 at 5:46 AM, Been there,done that said:

The phone call is not the issue.  The alleged assault is the issue.  You reported the issue and  followed procedure.

 You were written up, because the powers that be are throwing you under the bus for the incident. 

Get outta Dodge.  

The only one that got thrown under the bus was the CNA. It looks like the pt's family thinks so too.

On 9/27/2020 at 8:22 PM, Springdaisy04 said:

I was with the aid when she was providing care to the resident. I know nothing happened.

 

On 9/27/2020 at 8:22 PM, Springdaisy04 said:

I reported it to the supervisor and it was investigated and the CNA was suspended but has since returned to work.

RN: "I know you got suspended for something I KNOW YOU DIDN'T DO"💝 "At least you got your job back 😁"

CNA: 🤬

 

Talk about oblivious.

I do apology if anyone is offended by this post.