Arnold Schwartzneiger says "We need to create more nurses"

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What are we objects? When he announced last night that he would be running for Governor again he said he was running again because "we need to create more ER Rooms, more hospitals, more nurses". I am all for more hospitals but you dont CREATE nurses. We are people!!!! It would also help to have more Nursing School Programs dont you think? There's a reason why there is a Nurse shortage and I think that a big part of it has to do with the fact that half of the people that want to become nurses are on a waiting list somewhere.

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Read our lips Arnie, et al.

The issue is RETENTION, not just RECRUITMENT. It's been this way for a LONG time now.

really, nuff said.

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I don't think people should be blaming him because of a misunderstanding of the English language. Come on now! He has, or supposed to have, some good people working for him. Obviously not. They should be checking all of his speeches and press releases before it makes him look like an idiot.What he is doing is far too late and honestly I don't know what his agenda is. He has constantly alienated himself from a variety of groups and he digs his grave everyday deeper. I, for one, can't understand why he is wasting his and Californias time in running again. I just hope someone jumps in there and gives him a run for his money.

:yeahthat: Excellent post, really hit the nail on the head!

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To Tanker and hope 3456,

Nursing school and nursing as a career are two completely different things. Sure there are lots of people who want (or think they want) to be nurses. Part of why so-called "qualified" applicants get turned away, and why so many don't make it out of nursing school is b/c they weren't gonna make it in the field. Nursing school is partly a weeding out process, if you will. This was common knowledge when I was in college. Yeah, some of the instructors were hard @$$'s and a couple shouldn't have even been teaching, but the bottom line was, if you couldn't make it in school you definitely were not gonna make it "out there". We lost people, every class does, but those people never would have made it.... Why? Because that's how tough nursing is! Because nursing school only prepares you to learn how to be a nurse. Because nursing, in and of itself is brutal. And that is why we have a "shortage"....it's tough to make it in nursing, a huge percentage of people don't stick w/nursing after the first year, many more leave after several years, d/t burnout or physical injury/abuse dumped on them over the years. That's what good 'ol Arnie doesn't understand, nor will he ever....his head is too high, in the clouds....

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To Tanker and hope 3456,

Nursing school and nursing as a career are two completely different things. Sure there are lots of people who want (or think they want) to be nurses. Part of why so-called "qualified" applicants get turned away, and why so many don't make it out of nursing school is b/c they weren't gonna make it in the field. Nursing school is partly a weeding out process, if you will. This was common knowledge when I was in college. Yeah, some of the instructors were hard @$$'s and a couple shouldn't have even been teaching, but the bottom line was, if you couldn't make it in school you definitely were not gonna make it "out there". We lost people, every class does, but those people never would have made it.... Why? Because that's how tough nursing is! Because nursing school only prepares you to learn how to be a nurse. Because nursing, in and of itself is brutal. And that is why we have a "shortage"....it's tough to make it in nursing, a huge percentage of people don't stick w/nursing after the first year, many more leave after several years, d/t burnout or physical injury/abuse dumped on them over the years. That's what good 'ol Arnie doesn't understand, nor will he ever....his head is too high, in the clouds....

I will give you that. However, if we as a profession are in need of turning

out hardened practitioners maybe we should send student nurses to Marine

Corps boot camp. My point is that, educational process is to educate not eliminate. Over the last 28 years I have often seen examples of how Nurses

eat their young. As an instructor I often see other educators blame the poor

performance of their students for the poor quality of their teaching skills.

Right now there is such a shortage of Nursing instructors in this country that

anyone with the requirements is hired and seldom fired. Warm body syndrome, as we see on the night shift in most acute care settings.

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Hey Y'all

Since the topic's turned to NrsgSchool, let me throw in a few thoughts.

First, I defined my NrsgSchool experience (ADN, '78-'81) as 90% indoctrination and 10% education. By that I mean that it was more important to the instructors to teach values and behaviors than facts.

This drives some 'capital P' Professionals nuts. They see that the Physical Therapy people now require a Masters as 'entry to practice' and that there are still thousands of LPNs graduated every year (they were s'posed to DISAPPEAR!! Didn't they get the memo?) and Respiratory Therapists now have Associate Degrees and they think Nurses need at least a BSN to become a 'professional' nurse. They want Nursing students to take Philosophy and Literature courses!!!

Those are the people who "planned" the educational system that all but the oldest of us went thru. Does it sound realistic to anybody here?

But it seems reasonable to me to teach 'values' and behaviors in NrsgSchool instead of expecting us to learn all about Pathophys and Pharmocology. It's not so hard to learn the 'facts'. The difference between a 'good' nurse (substitute whatever word you like--'strong', 'effective', whatever) and a rotten one (the one you HATE to get report from) in not smarts.

I recently had a Pt die from a hemolytic blood reaction. Every LPN and every nursing student would have known to stop the transfusion as the Temp went to 104. The nurse who did that is still a queen bee in our ICU and signs her name with BSN ARNP CCRN behind it. It's values and decision-making skills she is deficient in not facts.

And it is 'values' and behaviors that get people tossed out of NrsgSchool.

(Granted, there are some that can't learn the elementary anatomy, bio-chemistry and fail on academics.) And that's as it ought to be.

I'll stop before I start making political BS about 'values'....

Made It!!

Papaw John

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Read our lips Arnie, et al.

The issue is RETENTION, not just RECRUITMENT. It's been this way for a LONG time now.

really, nuff said.

:yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat:

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Now I may be wrong about this so no flames please. I seem to recall previous posts on this site in regards to Govenor S. If my memory serves me correctly Arnold has fought against the people voted mandatory staffing law at every turn. The fact that he says we now need more nurses is such a croc of you know what. After he loses in court a couple of times suddenly he is on the side of nurses. I for one do not believe it.

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What are we objects? When he announced last night that he would be running for Governor again he said he was running again because "we need to create more ER Rooms, more hospitals, more nurses". I am all for more hospitals but you dont CREATE nurses. We are people!!!! It would also help to have more Nursing School Programs dont you think? There's a reason why there is a Nurse shortage and I think that a big part of it has to do with the fact that half of the people that want to become nurses are on a waiting list somewhere.

The nurses are going through school graduating, many even take the boards. Where do they go after that? That is the question in New York over a 10 yr period we graduated over 125,000 nurses less then 40,000 took the boards and even less entered the work force.

If you ask me it is the lack of respect from the general public, the ever increasing work load and the lack of pay for what we do. Take for example my Brother in Law is a food and beverage director he makes over $125,000 to make sure your food is good and coke is not flat. The Nation puts a greater value on its entertainment than it's safety and health. This is shown by the salaries of ball players who do DRUGS and are told it's alright we forgive you. The actors who can not act get paid obscene amounts of money.

All we do is save lives, but remember if you make a mistake you will be SUED. We get assulted and are told by our administration not to press charges and if you do you are on your own.

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I hadn't read through all the posts, but wanted to make a comment. Yes, it is true that we need more nurses. Maybe if colleges and universities lightened up a little on the prereqs, allowed more individuals in with a 3.0 instead of the mandatory 4.0 in some areas, maybe more nurses will be 'created'. :rolleyes: Better yet, in regards to waiting lists; hire more profs and have more classes.......

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I don't think the academic requirements are the problem. It's the JOB, folks, a job that pays fairly well but wrecks your body, your sleep schedule, your social life, and interferes with your family, especially with these mandatory extra 12 hour shifts. Once they start addressing the appalling working conditions, maybe nurses will come out of retirement and new nurses will actually stay at the bedside instead of trading the scrubs in for a corporate blazer and expense account.

I hadn't read through all the posts, but wanted to make a comment. Yes, it is true that we need more nurses. Maybe if colleges and universities lightened up a little on the prereqs, allowed more individuals in with a 3.0 instead of the mandatory 4.0 in some areas, maybe more nurses will be 'created'. :rolleyes: Better yet, in regards to waiting lists; hire more profs and have more classes.......
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Now I may be wrong about this so no flames please. I seem to recall previous posts on this site in regards to Govenor S. If my memory serves me correctly Arnold has fought against the people voted mandatory staffing law at every turn. The fact that he says we now need more nurses is such a croc of you know what. After he loses in court a couple of times suddenly he is on the side of nurses. I for one do not believe it.

Arnold is not against nurses - he was "fighting" with unions. Nursing unions, teacher's unions, etc.

steph

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. The Nation puts a greater value on its entertainment than it's safety and health. This is shown by the salaries of ball players who do DRUGS and are told it's alright we forgive you. The actors who can not act get paid obscene amounts of money.

All we do is save lives, but remember if you make a mistake you will be SUED. We get assulted and are told by our administration not to press charges and if you do you are on your own.

this says a lot here, huge problems exist in medicine and nursing today that make these undesireable/unwanted careers for so many of our young people coming up.

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