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traumaRUs has 25 years experience as a MSN, APRN and works as a Asst Community Manager @ allnurses.

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Have we become a nation of slugs, so offended by a simple old-time Christmas song that we want to ban it from the radio? Where does this leave us in real life? You are reading page 9 of Are We Too PC?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

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With all this PC talk I'm thinking of embracing my Celtic/Viking heritage, braiding my hair and painting my face in blue tattoos. Not sure how it will go over on the unit though.

Hppy

We must be related. I'm Pictish!

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Farawyn has 25 years experience and works as a RN.

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Now that political correctness has been banned, may I use the pronouns I wish without jeopardizing my job now?

Because it's about you?

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hppygr8ful has 15 years experience and works as a RN - Adolescent Psych.

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You'd be the epitome of cool to those kids.

Yeah I think my adolescent psych girls would love it. My entire staff did Celtic braids and Renaissance dresses for Halloween. We had a take-down and it was in some ways hilarious. Even the patient involved was laughing by the time we were through.

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hppygr8ful has 15 years experience and works as a RN - Adolescent Psych.

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We must be related. I'm Pictish!

I did the 23 and me thing last year and I came back 43% Celtic/Irish, 27% Nordic and the rest Broadly Northern European. Thus my attraction to war drums, pole arms and war hammers. So far I am dependent on a talented friend for my braids.

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I would also like to add, ive been date raped. This song does not offend me or scream rape to me.

Maybe, just maybe we should as a society put our time and effort into educating women on rape, and giving support to those that have experienced rape and maybe get it reported more.

Being outraged by a Christmas song from the 40's actually makes a complete mockery of date rape.

My goal one day is to be a forensics nurse so I can actually help our victims.

I agree.

I'm 61 and grew up listening to these old songs. My parents were huge fans of Nat King Cole, Ray Charles, Johnny Mathis, and "The Rat Pack", Bing Crosby, etc.

I prefer Dean Martin's version of this song.

And yes, I agree with the posters who think we are too PC.

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I will throw out my experience (which doesn't put me on either "side" here).

I've had opportunities to make changes for the better - sometimes due to finding out something the hard way, and then over time that led to increased curiosity about "what else do I say that isn't great" Example: Growing up there were the odd turns of phrase/regional verbiage that would be considered normal (in fact some of them really did seem to get passed down generations without people even knowing what they referred to); as kids we would just think these were goofy and that adults said them because they're old and not cool. Or maybe we thought a family member was from this or that part of the country so they said weird things like "wait one cotton pickin' minute!" when someone was being impatient.

Increased awareness has made me curious about origins of some of our language and some of these ^ types of phrases, etc. Who wants to unwittingly pass along hurtful, hateful, sad verbal traditions?? Not me. I wish more people would look at all of this in that manner. If you don't "mean any harm" or don't "mean to harm" people, then simply try not to.

OTOH, I don't think the "PC" issue is that simple. I think it's another one of those perfect divisive issues over which to try to inflame people into lining up.

Regular Americans are more commonsense and waaaay more curious, helpful and understanding than portrayed or given credit for. If you've ever seriously discussed this issue IRL you can attest to the fact that it never goes like all the hype - and you can learn a lot about others.

I would love it if there were more instances where we were all expected to fight and instead we just refused to.

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amzyRN works as a RN-Emergency Services.

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Yes, it's awful. It's so fake too because using the "correct" language doesn't mean someone is a good person or gives a damn. People should be able to say the "wrong" thing and take feedback to correct it if it is hurtful. Similarly, someone should be able to not take offense to every small thing that people say. "Microaggressions" for example.

I don't want to censor myself for every word that comes out of my mouth. Why assume, if I ask someone where they are from that this means I am saying they are not a real American? Why assume I meant that they were from another country at all. In fact, I never ask that question unless I'm interested in where they grew up and that I'd like to know more about that person regardless of what they look like. I even worry that mentioning this will bring about streams of hate, that I am insensitive and this is on a forum for gosh sake. People need to have a little more tolerance for each other. When we stop having conversations with each other out of fear and censor ourselves that is not helpful and in fact harmful. These are my opinions.

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Sorry to disagree; this song isn't appropriate at all, even in 2018. You can squint and look at it the way you're looking at it ...

A few other lines ...

"Do they know it's Christmas?" Er, probably ...since large parts of Africa are indeed Christian.

"Pray for the other ones" - pardon?

"There won't be snow in Africa this Christmastime" - well, except for the mountains ...

Such an example of white savior complex. Turns cliches about Africa that need western saving. The 2014 version that was made for Ebola didn't fare so well either.

Blech.

I am sorry that I can't take the time to explain the song line by line.

But again, the song is intended for Western ears, so the line, Do They Know It's Christmas, is not intended, nor directed at Ethiopians, but the West, who allowed famine to rage, like today, in Yemen.

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For every good intention, you'll find one of the above. And it WAS a good intention, no argument. But ... it's not so black and white. It's patronizing, condescending and arrogant.

If you're looking for the definition of white privilege, I'll define it simply as this: a head start over everyone else. An inherent advantage over every other race of people. The whiteness of my skin? It gives me that head start over other people of color at the starting line.

And it shouldn't be that way.

I think your definition is a good start.

I would add that White Privilege allows the privileged to define the "norms" of the WASP society.

It was what allowed the Irish Catholics to be considered "other," during the Irish migration to America.

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vetpharmtech has 1 years experience.

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I don't think so. I believe that although some folks tend to complain for the smallest of issues, most people do not mind small issues. I am more worried about those that scream "Too PC" in order to justify rudeness and abuse. I'm sorry but we shouldn't tolerate bad behavior hidden behind those who think everything is "too pc".

As a naturalized citizen who constantly adapt American culture, I mostly agree with you. The more I learn about our society, the more I realize people who complain "too pc" are usually cis gender, heterosexual, and evangelical Christians.

People say "ignorance is bliss". Unfortunately, it is true in my case.

For example, before I knew about Southern hospitality, I thought the expression "bless your heart" was a well-meaning wish from a decent person. However, it turned out the phrase really means "you poor dear. I pity you for your dumbness."

Same thing with "I will pray for you." I always trusted that Christians meant well when they said this to a non Christian. However, the statement really masked an ugly intent ("I will pray to my god to change your heart so that you can leave your demonic faith and come to Jesus")

Socially, I don't think people are too pc. In fact, when people are pc, it shows that they are compassionate, empathetic, and sensitive to individuals who don't share their beliefs.

In terms of legality, I do think there is unnecessary restriction to freedom of expression. People should be able to express their thinking without censorship from the government.

Take "merry christmas" as an example. I will NEVER side with any public authority to restrict anyone from wishing people "merry christmas". On the social level, I do expect Christians not to assume that I also celebrate the birth of their savior.

I agree with you that we shouldn't tolerate bad behavior hidden behind those who think everything is "too pc". Nevertheless, I think we can sort these things out through interaction. The government should stay out of what people can and cannot say.

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Orion81RN has 5 years experience.

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I am very sorry for what you have endured. No one deserves to be assaulted in that way.

I should not have used the term "rapey". Am I permitted to describe the song as suggestive of someone in a position of power taking advantage of another, in order to have sex with them against their will?

I'm not apologizing for my use of the word rapey. I got it from my husband when we were discussing the topic. Ive been sexually assaulted on one occasion and raped on another, and my opinion still stands. My experience was a flat out no after hanging out with 2 boys in hs, then physically pulled and pushed into a bathroom. So maybe if one can see it from my experience, where we WERE at first laughing and hanging out, and even a little flirting on my part, then PULLED into a bathroom, then maybe one can understand my reaction to a man pulling at a woman's arm telling her to stay and describing it as "a little rapey." Keep in mind that I did proceed to explain that I don't think that's what was really going on in this song. It simply brings up a moment of a memory. But I'm able to separate my experience from a playful flirtatious banter of a song.

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klone has 13 years experience as a MSN, RN and works as a Director of OB Services.

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Yes, it's awful. It's so fake too because using the "correct" language doesn't mean someone is a good person or gives a damn. People should be able to say the "wrong" thing and take feedback to correct it if it is hurtful. .

That's the problem, though. If a person gives feedback saying that something someone says is hurtful or offensive, they're often accused of being a "snowflake" or "too PC".

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