Any ADN-BSN programs without ridiculous papers?

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Taking my 1st ADN-BSN class. Thinking of dropping it with only 1 week left.

1st class and already a 6 to 8 page paper. A concept analysis of 1 of the following 4 words: Caring, Hope, Trust, or Fear.

This is absolutely ridiculous. I have absolutely no idea what to say.

The structure of these programs MUST change.

I don't want to write papers every 5 weeks. I want to read a book and take a test.

typos and spelling are two different things. And did you know that a small subset of persons simply can't learn to spell?

When you learn to spell basic English words, I'll take your anti-bachelor's degree opinions a little more seriously.
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Specializes in Med/surg, Quality & Risk.
When you learn to spell basic English words, I'll take your anti-bachelor's degree opinions a little more seriously.

Rude. The previous poster has dyslexia BTW. I know, I know, it's just too easy to make nasty personal attacks on someone's spelling when you don't like what they have to say.

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Why do you make fun of her or his English language? That is so childish. Have you considered maybe English is not their first language like many of us in America. What is wrong with some people on this board?

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
When you learn to spell basic English words, I'll take your anti-bachelor's degree opinions a little more seriously.

*** Look, if you believe I am anti bachelors degree you are very mistaken and must not have read what I actually wrote. I am NOT anti bachelors degree, as I have pointed out here many times. I AM aginst making the bachelors degree the only entry point for RN practice.

I an a big believer in diversity and believe that diversity makes us (nurses) much more powerful and stonger. I believe that nursing would suffer greatly without the kinds of people who most often ENTER through ADN programs. I love to see veterans, house wives, truck drivers, farmers, chemists, teachers and others become nurses. The ADN, with it's low cost and local availabliety, is the rout often chosen by such people. I think they are an asset to our field. I realize that many will disagree and that's fine, but they have to expect others, like me, to challenge their position. Just as some here have challenged MY position. It is a discussion board after all.

I am also in favor of making the BSN quite rigerous. I want the BSN improved until it actually means something. Not wanting the BSN to be the only entry to RN practice, and wanting to fix what I see and broken is a very different thing than being "anti".

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I am also in favor of making the BSN quite rigerous. I want the BSN improved until it actually means something. Not wanting the BSN to be the only entry to RN practice, and wanting to fix what I see and broken is a very different thing than being "anti".

Several posters, including myself, have pointed out that even with life experience we managed to learn quite a lot in our ADN-BSN/BSN programs, and that our BSN education was valuable to us. You are generalizing about BSN programs. There are poor quality programs, and there are poor quality students. Your negative experience at a state university and the negative experiences of the people you know does not mean ADN-BSN/BSN programs are generally of poor educational quality. Your negative experience really doesn't tell us much about the actual deficits of the program you attended. As a prospective student the responsibility is yours to investigate the quality of the BSN programs you are considering attending before you sign up.

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Specializes in pediatrics; PICU; NICU.
Rude. The previous poster has dyslexia BTW. I know, I know, it's just too easy to make nasty personal attacks on someone's spelling when you don't like what they have to say.

From what I know, dyslexia does not prevent one from using a dictionary.

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Specializes in critical care.

PMFB, with sincerity and all due respect, it sounds to me that the BSN programs that are local to you are doing a major disservice to not only their graduates, but also the community these graduates serve. I assure you not all of the BSN programs are as bad as you describe, and I am sorry for the disappointment you seem to be expressing about the program you attended. I'll be the first to say that there are certainly things that can be improved on. That will be the case with any program of study, I'm sure.

In my own program, there is certainly a fair share of writing and learning about abstract concepts that they don't necessarily include in the ADN here. That is what I am paying for with my higher tuition bill. I do genuinely feel my knowledge base has grown exponentially since starting only a semester and a half ago. We are required a nursing elective beyond the core requirements. I have decided for mine I will do an independent study. My topic will be behavioral, developmental, and learning disorders in children, research on treatments, psychosocial impacts on family and friends, and how these disorders impact the child over the continuum of their lives. This type of project wouldn't be done at the associates level here. This is why I value my bachelors degree program and why I have chosen it: to gain further insight than what would be available to me at the associates level.

I don't know if my program is atypical, but I do know that I am very fortunate to have the best school in the state for nclex rates right down the road from me. We have a wonderful blend of instructors that have been incredibly supportive of our learning. We have a skills lab available to us with the ability to practice anything we want, as much as we want. Our written assignments are thought-provoking. No, it isn't easy. I'm always wondering how in the world I will get through everything. I'm a former straight A student who struggles to keep straight Bs. It's rigorous. Sometimes it's brutal. But in my own learning process I have grown more than words will say.

I share this with you right now because you do value experience and maybe if I share mine, it will help you have faith that some BSN programs simply are better than others. There is much to improve on across the board if we are to have exceptional quality universally, but as well-researched consumers of education, we can help shape BSN programs in a better way. Encourage pre-nursing students who are able to travel for their degrees to research the quality of programs before applying. Money speaks louder than words, and if a school is struggling to fill seats, they will strive to improve on quality.

Forgive the lengthy ramble. :)

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Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
PMFB, with sincerity and all due respect, it sounds to me that the BSN programs that are local to you are doing a major disservice to not only their graduates, but also the community these graduates serve. I assure you not all of the BSN programs are as bad as you describe, and I am sorry for the disappointment you seem to be expressing about the program you attended. I'll be the first to say that there are certainly things that can be improved on. That will be the case with any program of study, I'm sure.

In my own program, there is certainly a fair share of writing and learning about abstract concepts that they don't necessarily include in the ADN here. That is what I am paying for with my higher tuition bill. I do genuinely feel my knowledge base has grown exponentially since starting only a semester and a half ago. We are required a nursing elective beyond the core requirements. I have decided for mine I will do an independent study. My topic will be behavioral, developmental, and learning disorders in children, research on treatments, psychosocial impacts on family and friends, and how these disorders impact the child over the continuum of their lives. This type of project wouldn't be done at the associates level here. This is why I value my bachelors degree program and why I have chosen it: to gain further insight than what would be available to me at the associates level.

I don't know if my program is atypical, but I do know that I am very fortunate to have the best school in the state for nclex rates right down the road from me. We have a wonderful blend of instructors that have been incredibly supportive of our learning. We have a skills lab available to us with the ability to practice anything we want, as much as we want. Our written assignments are thought-provoking. No, it isn't easy. I'm always wondering how in the world I will get through everything. I'm a former straight A student who struggles to keep straight Bs. It's rigorous. Sometimes it's brutal. But in my own learning process I have grown more than words will say.

I share this with you right now because you do value experience and maybe if I share mine, it will help you have faith that some BSN programs simply are better than others. There is much to improve on across the board if we are to have exceptional quality universally, but as well-researched consumers of education, we can help shape BSN programs in a better way. Encourage pre-nursing students who are able to travel for their degrees to research the quality of programs before applying. Money speaks louder than words, and if a school is struggling to fill seats, they will strive to improve on quality.

Forgive the lengthy ramble. :)

^Well said! No ramble at all :)

As someone who has endured an "accelerated" (translation: no summers off; that is the ONLY difference from the traditional program), the type of program you speak of is not exclusive to your area; my area and the school I graduated from offered this to all their students. I highly recommend the program because if the experiences and the theory into practice model we were able to do for traditional, non-traditional, people with various background and nursing levels (LPN and ADN). I find it offensive to generalize BSN programs, especially when I feel that each of my classes have made me a better nurse...and I am in a state where the difference between a LPN and a RN is handling blood products, so my scope is extremely broad, and I had the experience to utilize the broad scope.

There are good, bad, and everything in between programs; could programs be more uniform in their performances and clinical experiences? Absolutely. I don't think anyone is disputing that. But the take away message from my post is let's not diminish the BSN just because a program is not up to par...

ixchel, I agree, the research and the investment is worth the lengthy process for a quality program, as well as knowing what quality programs are out there. We do have power to help programs improve, even if it means steering individuals to better programs, or even forcing programs to be better from an alumni standpoint.

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Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

If it ever comes to pass that a mandatory BSN is required to take the NCLEX the people who feel so strongly in favor of it might need to move off of esoteric discussions and onto activism. Despite what I think about it if people really feel all that strongly they should involve themselves in the effort the way one might with any political campaign. Going round and round with people discussing individual opinions/reactions to their own program is unlikely to sway many people, and just as market forces have made it possible for employers to state preferences, without laws in place I'm not sure they will remain committed should the massive shortage predicted by some people actually materialize.

I was curious to see why the law in North Dakota was repealed. One of the articles stated it was due to lobbying by the very same people who now say "BSN preferred", lack of unity in the nursing field and a "top down" approach to implementation.

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If it ever comes to pass that a mandatory BSN is required to take the NCLEX the people who feel so strongly in favor of it might need to move off of esoteric discussions and onto activism. Despite what I think about it if people really feel all that strongly they should involve themselves in the effort the way one might with any political campaign. Going round and round with people discussing individual opinions/reactions to their own program is unlikely to sway many people, and just as market forces have made it possible for employers to state preferences, without laws in place I'm not sure they will remain committed should the massive shortage predicted by some people actually materialize.

I was curious to see why the law in North Dakota was repealed. One of the articles stated it was due to lobbying by the very same people who now say "BSN preferred", lack of unity in the nursing field and a "top down" approach to implementation.

With respect, this discussion has not been about the merits of ADN versus BSN for entry in to practice.

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Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
With respect, this discussion has not been about the merits of ADN versus BSN for entry in to practice.

Neither was my post.

I must've missed your list of ADN-BSN programs without ridiculous papers. Maybe everyone lecturing the OP about the value of the type of paper he described when that is not what he asked for sent him private messages.

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