We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
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Also, Gooselady - just wanted to mention that I really appreciate your voice here at AN (not just in this thread, but general). You've only been here a short while, but you are showing yourself to be one of the wise ones. :)
Regarding bought, here's a piece from an interview that hays did at ageofautism.com. Never mind that wakefield himself disavowed his own study.
Andrew Wakefield has a role in this film because there is new evidence that has been uncovered that suggests his findings were correct. The media has tried him and virtually ruined his reputation. I'm here to expose the facts because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However, it appears much of the medical/industrial/governmental machine is about sacrificing a few, for the supposed greater good of others,†said Jeff Hays, producer of Bought. We intend to ignite a national conversation that involves parents nationwide and stirs the curiosity of millions. I want to ignite that innate portion of our human instinct that is designed to question and ultimately protect each of us from harm. I know this is controversial, and it should be. The days of just accepting what the medical community, the media and the government say should be gone.â€
I usually do a quick check of the 'source' before I get to reading or listening. Underground Wellness is a blog and a 'service' provided by a person with Bachelor's degree in kinesthesiology.
Whatever is in the podcast may be interesting, but this individual is grossly underqualified to make alternative suggestions to or criticisms of modern healthcare.
I think I see where we 'diverge' here. I'll assume this person on the podcast meets your requirements for veracity, as you posted the link. He, by far, fails to meet basic standards of veracity for a huge majority of healthcare professionals, including those of us doing evidence-based research.
Not ALL underqualified persons ALWAYS make bogus claims. Some of his claims may fit right into modern healthcare. Sometimes 'outsiders' make such good points that they bring new bits of knowledge into the general understanding.
The trouble with this guy's stuff is it can't be tested, nor could experiments be done to reproduce his claims. This is bedrock important. You won't get in a car that has not been through RIGOROUS safety standards established by years and years of testing. I don't see any difference between the importance of establishing safety in my car and rigorously tested safety and effectiveness of vaccines. When it comes to healthcare, it seems more important than ever that safety and effectiveness be tested exhaustively.
This guy's stuff can't be tested to a degree that makes your car safe enough for you to get into. That's why I won't bother listening to his podcast, after flipping through his blog for a few minutes.
Yep, you are correct. Sean Croxton runs Underground Wellness. He doesn't claim to have all the answers, nor does he claim to be a scientist. What he does is he interviews experts on various issues. The link is to a podcast with his guest being the producer of the movie Bought. He offers podcasts everyday, some of which are very insightful and interesting. So while he may not be the scientist you expect, he brings forth information to people through his interviews. Again, he never made any claims.
I agree with your last sentence in the 5th paragraph. Unfortunately, that isn't always happening.
I'm not so sure you want to understand. I've tried to help you to, but you don't seem willing to try. I think the bought movie would offer some understanding, but you refuse to think about or listen to what the other side says.
Um, what? She said:
I'll listen to the podcast, and if I'm impressed by that I'll watch the movie.
Regarding bought, here's a piece from an interview that hays did at ageofautism.com. Never mind that wakefield himself disavowed his own study.
Andrew Wakefield has a role in this film because there is new evidence that has been uncovered that suggests his findings were correct. The media has tried him and virtually ruined his reputation. I'm here to expose the facts because I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However, it appears much of the medical/industrial/governmental machine is about sacrificing a few, for the supposed greater good of others,†said Jeff Hays, producer of Bought. We intend to ignite a national conversation that involves parents nationwide and stirs the curiosity of millions. I want to ignite that innate portion of our human instinct that is designed to question and ultimately protect each of us from harm. I know this is controversial, and it should be. The days of just accepting what the medical community, the media and the government say should be gone.â€
Just because someone questions safety or policy does not make them an anti anything. It's good to question things. We shouldn't always be so willing to do things without stepping back and really analyzing it, especially when it comes to health.
Also, I'll add that modern medicine has its place. It's great that we have antibiotics to help us when we are ill. What is not great is the overuse of antibiotics. They are in our food supply and our water; on top of that, they are prescribed for every little sniffle. Most illness in communities is from a virus. Modern medicine is beneficial, but I think there needs to be better guidelines for when to utilize it. Someday, will our current antibiotics even work? Will we have new, stronger superbugs?
Not only are antibiotics given out so freely, other pills are too. So modern medicine has become lax in many areas. A person with an ailment that could be cured with simple diet and exercise is given a pill, and a pill never cures the issue. It adds side effects and then the person takes another pill to help with that and it turns into a vicious cycle.
In my experience, I have noticed that the elderly people who have a positive attitude and outlook on life are the healthiest and live longer than their negative counterparts. They take less drugs, if any, as well. Who wants to live taking a bunch of prescriptions anyway? They are expensive and cause harsh side effects.
Any movie or blog trying to revive Wakefield's FRAUD is not even worth clicking on.
There is so much more info. If you focus on that little piece, you miss much of the message. To properly analyze, one should do their best not to immediately shut down upon hearing a persons name.
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Also, Gooselady - just wanted to mention that I really appreciate your voice here at AN (not just in this thread, but general). You've only been here a short while, but you are showing yourself to be one of the wise ones. :)