We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
It would be nice for once, if one of them would have an epiphany in regards to all the valid research provided and decide they should reconsider their position.
A few do... but not the ones like Andi78 with closed minds and pathological emotional investment in their position. They'll ignore facts, present the flimsiest disproven opinion as fact, malign education and expertise if it opposes their position, and attempt to ignore rebuttals until they cannot stand the cognitive dissonance anymore.
Then they throw an ad hominem or two before tucking tale and running back to the mental safety of isolation from reality.
See again my post on page 75 #744 and page 78 #770. That's what I stand by. No amount of badgering from any of you will change that.
This is an ethical issue. Vaccinate yourself, but stop trying to force your views on others. Many disagree. Get over it. This is just one little message board out of thousands of people who feel vaccinations cause harm. So go on, get your vaccinations, eat crap, use products with ingredients known to cause cancer, drink your fluoridated water, sit on these message boards spewing negativity and hate. See where it gets you in life. The truth is, as holistic stated, our tax dollars will go into paying for your poor choices in making yourself sick. But yet I should get vaccinated against a disease I'll probably never come into contact with? It's such BS. You all sound like you are working for the gov or bigPharm promoting vaccines.
Again- thinking your opinions deserve equal respect of those backed by experts. I'm curious- when you're educated against vaccinates- do you also provide education on the possible complications catching the disease may cause? Or do you gloss that over? I mean, yeah, it's unlikely that your kid is going to catch mumps-- but do you provide them the possible complications of mumps, should they catch it?
And ARE YOU WILLING to keep your kids home or away from vulnerable populations? You have yet to say you're okay with that.
You consider a reproductive psychiatrist that makes her living offering alternate medicine consults as an expert, but not a nurse because they don't share your own point of view..?
Hey, careful, she's an MD. Therefore, she knows about everything and anything medical. YOU, on the other hand, are just a nurse and therefore cannot possibly understand things at that shrink's level. Unless, of course, you're a nurse who believes in andi's anti-vax nonsense, in which case....yep, you're a very smart, savvy professional who knows how to evaluate data.
A few do... but not the ones like Andi78 with closed minds and pathological emotional investment in their position. They'll ignore facts, present the flimsiest disproven opinion as fact, malign education and expertise if it opposes their position, and attempt to ignore rebuttals until they cannot stand the cognitive dissonance anymore.
Then they throw an ad hominem or two before tucking tale and running back to the mental safety of isolation from reality.
Does that not describe people on both sides of the issue? Those that do not agree with the op's and their minions' opinions are labeled as ignorant (ad hominem, ad nauseam).
Everyone wants to believe that their opinion is valid, however, the tyranny of the majority ensures that those in dissension will not have their opinions considered without bias.
If pro-vaxers believe in herd immunity, then how do they reconcile the fact that a small minority have such an effect on the majority of people who are vaccinated?
Speaking of cognitive dissonance, we know as nurses that there is absolutely NO safe level of mercury exposure for children. Yet, pre-2001 there were many "scientists" that spewed forth the notion that the level of mercury in some vaccinations was not enough to cause harm in a child. (I must point out that thimerosol has extremely limited usage in newer vaccinations).
As for my family- we receive all of the proven vaccinations. We continue to have our reservations concerning the flu vaccine, but we have received it this year. I am not anti-vaxer nor am I in the "let's get every vaccine made without regard to complications" camp. I make informed choices and I respect those who hold differing opinions.
If pro-vaxers believe in herd immunity, then how do they reconcile the fact that a small minority have such an effect on the majority of people who are vaccinated?
The phenomenon of herd immunity is not part of a belief system, it is a point of fact. If a high enough percentage of people are vaccinated, the chances of the vulnerable (too young, immunocompromised, allergic to vaccine) coming in to contact with an infected individual are extremely low.
The more people who are not vaccinated, the more likely it is that the vulnerable will come into contact with infected individuals. This is not rocket science, and it is not an "opinion."
If pro-vaxers believe in herd immunity, then how do they reconcile the fact that a small minority have such an effect on the majority of people who are vaccinated?
Because we do, in fact, UNDERSTAND herd immunity. Understanding how it works, as a system of protection, requires no reconciliation whatsoever.
Yet, pre-2001 there were many "scientists" that spewed forth the notion that the level of mercury in some vaccinations was not enough to cause harm in a child. (I must point out that thimerosol has extremely limited usage in newer vaccinations).
Disregarding the "notion spewing" comment for now, the reductions in usage of the preservative is a direct result of pressure and irrational fears of those who believe that thimerosol was the cause of the increased rates of autism. However, although the usage of thimerosol has dropped way down, the rate of autism keeps increasing.
The vaccination rate for the MMR dropped down as well, thanks to the aforementioned unfounded fears, and yet....there it is....autism still increased.
Now onward to the Masturbation forum:sarcastic:
SummitRN, BSN, RN
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A few do... but not the ones like Andi78 with closed minds and pathological emotional investment in their position. They'll ignore facts, present the flimsiest disproven opinion as fact, malign education and expertise if it opposes their position, and attempt to ignore rebuttals until they cannot stand the cognitive dissonance anymore.
Then they throw an ad hominem or two before tucking tale and running back to the mental safety of isolation from reality.