We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
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Remember, this is an estimation only based on the current virus being seen most frequently. It may very well change as the flu season progresses, and this is due to the antigenic drift of the H3N2 which is accounting for an estimated 50% of influenza A so far.
It is less effective, so far, than in previous years. But 20-25% reduction is better than 0%. To put things in perspective, about 10% of all deaths two weeks ago were due to P&I.
My child can recover from measles (has had it, in fact) but can't recover from Autism.
Such a cavalier attitude about a disease that kills 300 people a day worldwide. In fact 1 out of 5000 people not immunized for measles will die from it. The rate of serious complications, including significant brain injury, is even higher.
And then there is the fact that measles spreads to between 8-12 people per person infected.
All because you are worried about autism based on what exactly? There is zero link between measles and autism. Basically you are putting you kid at risk of brain damage to protect them from autism that has no connection to the vaccine.
This is why California has a higher rate of unvaccinated children than Ghana.
Are you saying that I was being one sided based on the post you quoted? Because I happily ate my words two posts later. Otherwise, I'm really not sure what you're getting at. I am a person who considers all evidence, and I would this asking for the poster's resource would be evidence of that.
And listen, I'm not nuts. But I completely agree that throwing all those vaccines into an immature immune system is nuts. Who the heck needs to get a Hep B vaccine at birth? Really. Birth? Let's be somewhat realistic about this. It's not about autism, at least not for me. It's about respecting nature and our ability to build immune responses that are innate instead of artificial. Now, if my teenager hasn't had the measles by the time she's near sexual activity, she's getting the MMR. But that's totally different than bombarding her at 2 months.
But I'm really not interested in a debate here -- just wanted to give you all the more moderate view. (And, no, I have not read the entire thread so don't go nuts on me) peace!
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Please tell me you are joking. Why are you linking the age of sexual activity with the MMR vaccine?! None of the diseases in that vaccine are STDs.
I am truly shaking my head at some of the stuff I am reading here.
I vaccinate my two kids, they are both up to date on the schedule however in their infant years when they were to receive more than two vaccines at a time, we chose to spread them out. So they'd get a vaccine and we'd come back a couple weeks later for whatever they still needed. We did so out of caution of an adverse reaction which I know is rare. I feel like this would be a good compromise for people who are worried about the reactions or "overloading" the system, I get the caution for these reasons but I don't understand not getting them at all.
I also have a unique experience because both my kids ended up with chicken pox this last fall despite being vaccinated! My son had both rounds which they say is 99% effective and my daughter had one round (didn't have her second yet) which is supposed to be 80% I believe. Well the dr and NP were both skeptical (we saw two) but the conclusion was chicken pox! My son had literally two pox, my daughter had multiple but nothing like from my childhood when it was normal for kids to have it. Thankfully they both had real mild cases and weren't very much bothered by it, for which I am so thankful they had their vaccine for it!
Now having had that experience I do worry about their exposure to other diseases despite them being vaccinated. I know that just because they got the chicken pox doesn't mean they'll get the measles despite their vaccines but it crosses my mind! I really don't understand people who choose to not vaccinate at all without a true solid reason like allergies to the vaccine itself. It angers me.
I just wanted to point something out. Not all non-vaccinating or delayed vaccinating parents believe there is a link between autism and vaccines. They might be in the minority, but I believe it is a common misconception. Many people I know who have delayed or have not vaccinated have done so because they question the vaccination schedule, the amount of vaccines given at one time, and the ingredients in the vaccine, not because Jenny McCarthy said, "Don't vaccinate your kids, people!"
Please tell me you are joking. Why are you linking the age of sexual activity with the MMR vaccine?! None of the diseases in that vaccine are STDs.
I am truly shaking my head at some of the stuff I am reading here.
I'll play devil's advocate here. This poster indicated her teenager is female. While MMR has nothing to do with STD's, the risk of complications during pregnancy are quite high.
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