We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
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I don't hang prophylactic antibiotics.
I still think that RNs who are fearful of routine immunizations for their children are ignorant and have chosen to be fearful rather than to professionally evaluate the preponderance of the scientific data relative to vaccines and disease.
Specializes in Pediatrics, High-Risk L&D, Antepartum, L.
Do you vaccinate your pets? If you don't you cannot place your pet in day care, or board them in a facility, because of the danger that other pets will get sick from your un-vaccinated pet.
Imagine that.
I'm going to say it...I don't love my dog like I love my children. My children are vaccinated...though I admit not according to the CDC schedule. That being said...if I wasn't vaccinating my children but did vaccinate my dog my simply response would be that I don't care about my dog like I do my kids. If my dog needed something so I can have it boarded so I can go on vacation...have at it. Yes, I am selfish. Dogs and kids are not equal.
I totally agree with your opinion. I am also amazed at my coworkers who won't get the flu shot. Our hospital requires it, so the nurses who refuse it have to wear a mask until flu season is over!!
Our staff was told they would be taken off the schedule for the duration of the season if they did not get vaccinated without a doctor note stating they can't get it for health reasons.
My point is that evidence needs to be considered on all levels. Research it not always reliable, especially when most research is funded by people with financial incentive in selling a product (drug/vaccine).
This years flu vaccine is cited as only being 23% effective, assuming the CDC estimated correctly. And now that drug companies are not investing money in R&D for antibiotics you will now see more information about the overuse of antibiotics.
Some vaccines are absolutely worth getting, while some are not. It would be ignorant to think all vaccines are necessary or even effective. Siding on one side of a debate without middle ground, simply shows whom is actually ignorant and not relying on creditable research.
I had measles at age 25. I was vaccinated as a child, but earlier than recommended. Unfortunately, I was not immune. At 8 weeks postpartum, I went back to work. At the time, in 1990, I thought it was a pretty remote possibility to ge the measles, so I did not hurry to get vaccinated. Well, there was an outbreak in the Baltimore area at that time and I got the measles. I had a 104.8 temp and a rash. I was so sick. I thought I had meningitis. The headache was awful. I could not get out of bed to go to the ED. Another person at the hospital where I worked also had measles. We did not work together. The health department confirmed that we both had measles. My liver enzymes were also elevated and my liver was enlarged. I had atypical measles syndrome which can occur in vaccinated people. The rash was on my extremities before it was on my body which is characteristic of atypical measles syndrome. Why anyone would care so little about their kids' health to risk them becoming as ill as I was, let alone to risk measles encephalitis, is beyond my understanding. Can you have a serious complication to the vaccine? Yes. The possibility is remote. If you are that worried about your child's safety, then do not let him or her ride in your car. the chances of death or disability are far greater than from this or any vaccine.
Specializes in Nsg. Ed, Infusion, Pediatrics, LTC.
In my honest opinion, the anti vaxers should be made to march past the graves of the thousands of children who died during the Polio epidemic.
I have a son on the autism spectrum, and having thoroughly researched both sides, I'm staunchly in favor of vaccinations. There is absolutely no credible evidence that can prove that there is a link between autism and vaccines.
I used to think the arguments re the difference between ADN and BSN were founded only on the research/leadership classes. I really had no idea that the programs didn't have the same science requirements.
The local ASN vs. BSN definitely has different science requirements. Both require nutrition, micro and A&P x 2. For the ASN, that's it. For the BSN, there is general biology, a science elective (bio, chem or physics), chem 1 and 2 (not organic), and pathophysiology. We were also graduates of the school of science, not nursing, so in theory we had a more rounded curriculum in the sciences. So instead of being BSN, RN, we are BS, RN. Not a fan of the "BS" part. 😂
A friend of mind who is close to finishing a PhD program (in psych) just posted on Facebook that she would not be vaccinating her child and that she'd done the research! Then she wrote about the the pharmaceutical industry, money, greed, etc. So "education" is no cure-all. When I go into my local hospital there are so many MAs, pharm-techs, and pharmacists wearing face masks because they refused the flu vaccine. It unfortunately has get to a point where Americans are suffering and dying from avoidable diseases that evidenced-based education catches on again. Maybe we've got it so good here that we've forgotten what crappy looks like? But nature, God, will show us. Disneyland was just the warning shot!
OK. Highly educated and informed people are refusing it. I am fully vaccinated. I will tell you after the Flu mist, no I don't know the exact name of it, (I took it last year) I had adverse effects that lasted for at least 4-5 months. Tell me, I am a person who runs everyday, 3 miles in 25 min. I lift weights every other day. After the flu mist, I didn't get a flu like sickness....instead, I was lethargic, weak, depressed. I was fine, feeling fit and healthy right before it. I noticed a significant difference in regards to how much weight I could lift THE WEEK after taking it. Half as much. And this lasted for months. I still think it had long term effects on me. Yes, vaccines are a good thing. But there are forms of population control we are unaware of. It's a double edged sword and a perfect setup. I know what the Flu mist did to my body personally. I think it's offensive how some people can't have a civil, rational, calm discussion about this on this thread without putting someone who opposes them down. It's ok to be passionate about something, but come on, if we really all are nurses the intellect must be present on both sides?
Why is HPV a hot button issue? Are there pro cancer groups or people out there?
The anti vaxxers feel the vaccine was approved too quickly with too few longitudinal studies, and they feel the recommended ages of administration (9-11 or 11-13, can't remember which) are too young because their precious daughters will be virgins until their wedding night.
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.....yeah.
toomuchbaloney
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Hm
I don't hang prophylactic antibiotics.
I still think that RNs who are fearful of routine immunizations for their children are ignorant and have chosen to be fearful rather than to professionally evaluate the preponderance of the scientific data relative to vaccines and disease.