We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
I had to take 5 hours of organic and inorganic chemistry to get into my ADN program way back in the late 80's.
It's tragic that nurses don't vaccinate their own children. I have patients who you can't even discuss the issue they are so convinced they know best from reading some whacky website.
Recently I was reading an over-the-top obvious faux birth plan and part of it was, "We refuse to have our baby vaccinated, please make sure all other babies on the unit are vaccinated for our child's safety." Love it!!
Years ago I worked in a LTC. The other RN and I were vaccinating all the staff and residents with flu vaccine, the plan was when we finished we'd vaccinate each other. Some emergency kept us from giving each other the injection, THE VERY NEXT DAY, I woke horrible sick with a killer flu like illness. Had I had taken the injection I'd forever thought that is what caused it.
Sometimes cause and effect aren't as clear as they appear.
I worked for years in my husband's OB/GYN practice. All teenagers are virgins and don't need any birth control until their mother steps from the room. It's makes me crazy. I've seen tragedy after tragedy related to HPV, it's scary stuff.
But there are forms of population control we are unaware of. It's a double edged sword and a perfect setup. I know what the Flu mist did to my body personally. I think it's offensive how some people can't have a civil, rational, calm discussion about this on this thread without putting someone who opposes them down.
This is where ya lost me (the bolded). There is nothing civil, rational or calm about 'announcing' there is a conspiracy to promote population control.
You can say it or write it as calmly and politely as you want, but what you are saying is irrational, emotional and harmful, especially if you are a member of the health care profession.
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The anti vaxxers feel the vaccine was approved too quickly with too few longitudinal studies,
Been awhile since I read anything about it but I am under the impression that the HPV vaccine underwent studies similar too and normal for other vaccines.
and they feel the recommended ages of administration (9-11 or 11-13, can't remember which) are too young because their precious daughters will be virgins until their wedding night.
LOL! I hope you aren't right. I shudder to think we have people who feel that way voting in this country.
I know that this is a bash anti-vaccine thread, and I hope I don't get thrashed here. I'm personally not firmly in the anti-vaccine camp myself, although I do question the wisdom of the current vaccine schedule pushed by the American medical system. I think there's evidence that an onslaught of too many vaccines at once can negatively affect the immune system, and I chose to introduce vaccines to my children on a different schedule. And, I strongly believe it's wise to be skeptical of the medical system in the United States, where big business gets government to push its products. I do distrust big pharmaceutical interests and other corporate interests, and I distrust the government.
But, above all, I am a civil libertarian and strongly believe that this is a central ideal of these United States of America. Individual liberties have traditionally trumped 'the common good' in this great nation. Why, vaccination of children is optional in the United Kingdom, a nation with a much more comprehensive medical system and less emphasis on individual rights.
I think a lot of the anti-vaccination crowd are also folks who generally distrust the government, and corporate medicine. Having crowds of people with virtual torches, ready to force them to acquiesce, only increases their paranoia.
This hysteria over the measles is overblown, in my opinion. I actually remember having the measles when I was 4 years old. It's not a death sentence by any means. Losing total respect for people with other healthcare philosophies? Well, that goes against my ethics as a nurse that preaches tolerance.
Yes, the Polio vaccine has saved millions from getting that crippling disease. Vaccines have done a lot for the public health. But, I still believe in individual rights and the rights of parents to make healthcare choices for their children. That means that they also should have the right to bottle feed, feed them junk food, and not have bed times for them, all things I disapprove of.
Whew! Thank you for a balanced view.
And listen, I'm not nuts. But I completely agree that throwing all those vaccines into an immature immune system is nuts. Who the heck needs to get a Hep B vaccine at birth? Really. Birth? Let's be somewhat realistic about this. It's not about autism, at least not for me. It's about respecting nature and our ability to build immune responses that are innate instead of artificial. Now, if my teenager hasn't had the measles by the time she's near sexual activity, she's getting the MMR. But that's totally different than bombarding her at 2 months.
But I'm really not interested in a debate here -- just wanted to give you all the more moderate view. (And, no, I have not read the entire thread so don't go nuts on me) peace!
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Except HepB is not just a STD...You know that, right?
It can be transmitted from blood contact, which you know little kids NEVER, say, skin their knee and then touch each other, right?
And if a kid gets HepB their chances of getting liver cancer are very high
Which is why we give it ASAP in the delivery room
I don't know what area of nursing you are in, perhaps you have little to ne contact with peds, but as you have a MSN I would hope you would know this about HepB
Its interesting to hear about how different countries do things. Our new borns dont get their first set of shots until 6 weeks. The only thing they get at birth is IM vitamin K
Seriously. My son with Autism doesn't need to recover, it isn't a death sentence. Measles can be a death sentence. You would rather a child risk death than risk autism, WHICH THEY WON'T AS THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF THAT VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM.
My child can recover from measles (has had it, in fact) but can't recover from Autism. He has celiac's disease and his ND and I do not feel that it would be in his best interests to vaccinate due to an increased risk of additional autoimmune disease.
What I find appalling is that so few nurses understand the immune system and just act as yes men for the CDC and physicians. I blame nursing schools. Fortunately I have background other than nursing and understand that we have a CELLULAR response to all bugs we come into contact with. As I've stated in other posts on vaccination, nurses who don't understand the difference between humeral and cellular response, differences in immune response to organisms based on genetics, the ACTUAL EFFICACY rates of vaccination, and how to recognize "at-risk" populations for vaccination reaction, including autoimmune response DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PREACH VACCINATION FOR ANYONE ELSE'S CHILD. Every time I read one of these posts, I realize how many nurses have no idea what they're talking about. Please don't act as my nurse- I don't need a robot.
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I had to take 5 hours of organic and inorganic chemistry to get into my ADN program way back in the late 80's.
It's tragic that nurses don't vaccinate their own children. I have patients who you can't even discuss the issue they are so convinced they know best from reading some whacky website.
Recently I was reading an over-the-top obvious faux birth plan and part of it was, "We refuse to have our baby vaccinated, please make sure all other babies on the unit are vaccinated for our child's safety." Love it!!