We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
Did anyone actually READ the autism study before it was banned and retracted? I did. The children who developed autism after vaccination all had one thing in common: gut inflammation. There is anecdotal evidence that gluten-free, dairy-free diets have helped children with autism. Why? Because gluten can cause gut inflammation. There is a lot of work suggesting that GMOs (corn, specifically) is responsible for the link between gut inflammation (immune reaction) and gluten-intolerance (eventually celiac's disease). This affects a larger percentage of children than is currently estimated. Autism is an autoimmune brain disease. Yes, it is. There is also heavy evidence linking an exacerbation of autoimmune issues to vaccination. This is not new. If you really do understand how vaccination works, this should make complete sense. I have a good feeling that you don't actually understand this.
All of this hype about vaccines over the recent measles outbreak after they reported that SOME OF THOSE CHILDREN HAD BEEN VACCINATED.
Only 4, huh? So you mean you might vaccinate your child for something that wouldn't kill them anyway and they might not be responders? Why not? Again, you don't understand how any of this works.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Did anyone actually READ the autism study before it was banned and retracted? I did. The children who developed autism after vaccination all had one thing in common: gut inflammation. There is anecdotal evidence that gluten-free, dairy-free diets have helped children with autism. Why? Because gluten can cause gut inflammation. There is a lot of work suggesting that GMOs (corn, specifically) is responsible for the link between gut inflammation (immune reaction) and gluten-intolerance (eventually celiac's disease). This affects a larger percentage of children than is currently estimated. Autism is an autoimmune brain disease. Yes, it is. There is also heavy evidence linking an exacerbation of autoimmune issues to vaccination. This is not new. If you really do understand how vaccination works, this should make complete sense. I have a good feeling that you don't actually understand this.
All of this hype about vaccines over the recent measles outbreak after they reported that SOME OF THOSE CHILDREN HAD BEEN VACCINATED.
Yes, I read the original article as have many, many other nursing professionals.
Are you really suggesting that there is validity in the concern that the MMR CAUSED autism in those children with inflammation of the gut?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Only 4, huh? So you mean you might vaccinate your child for something that wouldn't kill them anyway and they might not be responders? Why not? Again, you don't understand how any of this works.
Who are you addressing with the condescending implication that they don't understand this as well as you?
Only 4, huh? So you mean you might vaccinate your child for something that wouldn't kill them anyway and they might not be responders? Why not? Again, you don't understand how any of this works.
Please enlighten us as to your extensive expertise on the topic. You have a post-graduate degree in immunology/epidemiology I assume?
Well I was a biochem major at a top-tier college followed by a clinical master and then doctoral degree. I have an appropriate understanding of the topic at a provider level.
As I am sure you are aware, as an expert, that between 3 and 6% of those immunized for measles do not seroconvert.
For simplicity sake, if 100 properly immunized individuals are exposed to measles then 3-6 could develop the illness. Conversely if 100 unvaccinated individuals are exposed between 90-98 will develop the disease.
So with 1 in 5000 people that were not vaccinated for measles dying from measles resulting in 300 deaths/day worldwide, yes immunizing is "worth it".
If we consider that measles is an R of 12 then mathematically C must be greater than 0.92. If we take R to be 16 then C must be greater than 0.94.
In California the measles vaccination rate is as low as 87% (0.87, or close). That's why measles has made a big comeback in the past 3 years.
Not really when It is within a 2 week time period of getting the vaccine and I notice a MAJOR difference
That's still evidence of correlation not causation though.
Moreover, a little fatigue is common as part of the body developing an appropriate immune response after a vaccination. It's a good thing.
Some people have higher and lower fatigue/pain thresholds as part of natural variability. That doesn't mean harm is being done. Likely it means good is being done.
Only 4, huh? So you mean you might vaccinate your child for something that wouldn't kill them anyway and they might not be responders? Why not? Again, you don't understand how any of this works.
I am going to guess by your comment that you personally have never experienced a "non-response" to a vaccine, as my doctor likes to call it. Let me tell you a little story. Before I got my first RN job I was volunteering at a hospital- or I tried to. They rejected me because my vaccination records were "Weird with a capitol 'W', a direct quote for the head of the volunteer department. I had multiple vaccines listed several times in a timeline that made no sense. And because I was volunteering and not an actual employee, they said no. Fast forward a couple months to starting my first RN job. Due to the "Weird" vaccination records I opted for my hospital to just save me a lot of headaches and draw blood to prove my immunity.
And whoa, guess who was not immune to several of these diseases that I had had vaccines for. That I had just been vaccinated for in college because I needed immunity for nursing school clinicals a year and a half earlier. Yes at age 21 I had received chicken pox shots, an MMR, and yet another course of hep B vaccinations.
I finally contacted my pediatrician, whom I had not seen in 6 years, who admitted that yup, I had actually received three chicken pox vaccines between ages 5 and 18 (and another one in nursing school, making my total 4). And yet my bloodwork, taken at age 23, showed absolutely no signs of immunity. I am also a non-responder to hep B and measles.
My "adult" doctor that I see now says there's a possibility this is genetic, but that for the most part we as a whole don't really understanding non-responders and how it works (or rather, doesn't work). Does this mean that I won't vaccinate my kids if and when I have them, even though it might not work? Hell no. Because I am a non-responder, let's say I went to Disney and picked up measles- do I really want to bring that home to a group of my offspring that definitely has no immunity, rather than an off chance that they inherited my "non responder gene"?
Being a vaccine non responder myself, I can tell you this: receiving all these vaccines did me absolutely no harm except perhaps a few extra tears as a child that I don't remember. And I would still absolutely 100% vaccinate my future children.
This is where ya lost me (the bolded). There is nothing civil, rational or calm about 'announcing' there is a conspiracy to promote population control.
You can say it or write it as calmly and politely as you want, but what you are saying is irrational, emotional and harmful, especially if you are a member of the health care profession.
Ok. I get that I "lost you". How is stating my opinion on an internet forum irrational, emotional, and harmful? Did I once say that I PREACH my opinion to patients? No. Would I? No. Would I even talk about my personal beliefs to patients? NO NO and NO. Come on people, pay attention. No I do not think every vaccine is bad. I do believe Uncle Sam has an agenda though, and where the power lies is not within the people. Yes I am in the healthcare profession, but I will NEVER follow any government including my own with blind faith. I am completely calm and completely rational, I am able to have a discussion calmly and without emotion and to listen to opposing sides with an open heart and open mind. Sorry if a potential form of population control scares you.
I'll play devil's advocate here. This poster indicated her teenager is female. While MMR has nothing to do with STD's, the risk of complications during pregnancy are quite high.
So what? The timing of the MMR should have zero to do with commencement of sexual activity. If this person's children are vaccinated according to schedule and receive boosters as recommended, they will likely not have to worry about how measles affects them in pregnancy. And they would have significantly decreased their ability to infect other vulnerable individuals in the years prior to them becoming sexually active and possibly pregnant.
There is simply no reason to link timing of MMR vaccination with coming of age with regard to becoming sexually active.
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