We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
Please tell me you are joking. Why are you linking the age of sexual activity with the MMR vaccine?! None of the diseases in that vaccine are STDs.
I am truly shaking my head at some of the stuff I am reading here.
Why am I linking MMR to sexual activity? Because if she's of childbearing age and sexually active, she can get pregnant and a measles or rubella infection during pregnancy could devastate the fetus.
You think I don't know what an STI is? You make me shake my head! Oh, by the way, the correct term nowadays is Sexually Transmitted Infections, not disease.
In any case, the assumptions you're making about my knowledge or morality actually, are completely unwarranted. You have no idea what my family medical history or my individual children's medical issues are. There are reasons to not vaccinate that have nothing to do with the autism hysteria. The problem with pro-vaxers is the attitude that is prevalent in these threads and the name calling! It's akin to the pro-life rhetoric. And very little learning or sharing of information can happen in this kind of environment.
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Why am I linking MMR to sexual activity? Because if she's of childbearing age and sexually active, she can get pregnant and a measles or rubella infection during pregnancy could devastate the fetus.
You think I don't know what an STI is? You make me shake my head! Oh, by the way, the correct term nowadays is Sexually Transmitted Infections, not disease.
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But you don't worry about her contracting measles prior to becoming sexually active and 'devastating' herself?! Or other vulnerable individuals who CANNOT get vaccines or who are unable to seroconvert? And you believe that children receive the MMR at 2 months?!
... I do believe Uncle Sam has an agenda though, and where the power lies is not within the people. Yes I am in the healthcare profession, but I will NEVER follow any government including my own with blind faith. I am completely calm and completely rational, I am able to have a discussion calmly and without emotion and to listen to opposing sides with an open heart and open mind. Sorry if a potential form of population control scares you.
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Who exactly is Uncle Sam? Is it Obama, Boehner, Reid, Gingrich, the Congress, the Stonecutters, the Masons, a different secret cabal whose name cannot be mentioned or what? Your statements do sound paranoid.
But you don't worry about her contracting measles prior to becoming sexually active and 'devastating' herself?! Or other vulnerable individuals who CANNOT get vaccines or who are unable to seroconvert? And you believe that children receive the MMR at 2 months?!
Oh man -- I guess you only read what you want to read.
Sorry! Should have said 12 mos! wasn't thinking of just MMR, I was making a general point.
But to clarify, I was referring to the HepB, RV, Hib, PCV, IPV, & DTap at 2 mos.
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What "agenda" is being carried out with regard to preventing illnesses like polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc.? These diseases used to decimate populations. They caused death, permanent disabilities, etc. At one time, the most common cause of death in humans was infectious disease. What dark motives did our government have by mandating that our children receive protection from these diseases, which at one time caused heart stopping fear in parents when doctors diagnosed their children with them?
The risk from vaccines vs. the benefit they provide to the billions of people on our planet is tiny. The risks are present, but there is risk in just about anything we do on a given day. We have to assess the actual risk vs. benefit and humans are not generally known to be very good about accurately assessing risk.
In any case, the assumptions you're making about my knowledge or morality actually, are completely unwarranted. You have no idea what my family medical history or my individual children's medical issues are. There are reasons to not vaccinate that have nothing to do with the autism hysteria.
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Oh GOOD GRIEF. Please reference anything in my post which states ANYTHING about your "morality" or even anything to do with fear of autism.
Oh GOOD GRIEF. Please reference anything in my post which states ANYTHING about your "morality" or even anything to do with fear of autism.
No time for that, sorry! Although I listen to every side of all issues, you are not interested in anything beyond yelling at people who oppose your view and I don't have time to waste.
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Did anyone actually READ the autism study before it was banned and retracted? I did. The children who developed autism after vaccination all had one thing in common: gut inflammation. There is anecdotal evidence that gluten-free, dairy-free diets have helped children with autism. Why? Because gluten can cause gut inflammation. There is a lot of work suggesting that GMOs (corn, specifically) is responsible for the link between gut inflammation (immune reaction) and gluten-intolerance (eventually celiac's disease). This affects a larger percentage of children than is currently estimated. Autism is an autoimmune brain disease. Yes, it is. There is also heavy evidence linking an exacerbation of autoimmune issues to vaccination. This is not new. If you really do understand how vaccination works, this should make complete sense. I have a good feeling that you don't actually understand this.
All of this hype about vaccines over the recent measles outbreak after they reported that SOME OF THOSE CHILDREN HAD BEEN VACCINATED.
You do realize that the initial study was actually regarding the gut issues and not autism, right?
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