All of a sudden an ASN is no good anymore

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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I worked my behind off for this ASN. I'd been in college for years until then with the usual useless liberal arts degree because "if I did what I loved I'd never work a day in my life" and was completely useless when it came to getting a job. So when I started as a nurse I was beside myself with joy to have, finally, a real job.

Now fifteen years later, it appears the entire state is pushing for all nurses to have a Bachelor's- hospitals don't even interview without one.

I have experience. And no offense to those of you with advanced degrees, but you couldn't hold my penlight. I've been at countless BSN's side when they have to assist an MD and they fall apart- they can't understand a sterile field, they wonder whether they're actually supposed to hold open a wound, they don't know how to wrap a bandage. A wound vac is from a foreign planet to them.

And those Master's trained RNs, geez. I can see that in your graduate studies you never learned how to start an IV, nor an NGT, and you certainly don't know how to irrigate a foley. That last one becomes comical until that MSN is found trying to irrigate the bubble.

Forgive me for my insolence, oh advanced degrees. I have experience. If I were ill, I would want an experienced nurse, not a college kid who read books about nursing until he got all the answers right on the test. But as has always, always been the case in this country, experience means nothing. Only that little piece of paper. And I'm too darn old to go back to school. Say what you want, but there is a place where you want to enjoy life, and reading textbooks is not a part of that.

I just wonder whose pockets are being filled by making those degrees the law of the land.

kc, how about you take each situation and each person with a BSN on a case by case basis. Quit stereotyping people and maybe you'll get a better response.

I'm not stereotyping That's the problem. I'm taking each and every one as an individual, with no relation to the one before them, and the response seems to be the same without provocation.So it must be something gone stray or not present in the 4 year curriculum

Specializes in ICU.

Well, sadly, you have to do what you have to do. I just graduated from a 2 year Associates program in Nursing (I also have a previous Bachelor of Arts degree in Psychology.) But I knew that I needed to go on. I enrolled in an RN to BSN program immediately. It will take me one year to get my bachelors because of my previous Psych degree. It shouldn't take you long. Yes, it is annoying. Yes, it costs money. But that is the direction nursing is taking. Find a cheap (but still good) RN to BSN program and go for it at your pace. I really don't want to school anymore (I have been in school since 1987 on up to now, with only two semesters off in there.) But, I know it's a step that is necessary - especially in my over-saturated area.

I think Associate programs are great. My school has a great name, the teachers are wonderful, we have more clinical hours than other programs, etc. Look on the bright side - you have the best of both the Associate and Bachelor world. I think this will make you a great, well rounded candidate because of this.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.
I'm not stereotyping That's the problem. I'm taking each and every one as an individual, with no relation to the one before them, and the response seems to be the same without provocation.So it must be something gone stray or not present in the 4 year curriculum

Oh, c'mon! You're being intentionally dense about your own words and how people might react to them.

I hate, hate, hate when smart people pretend they don't know what everyone is getting riled up about.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

There are a lot of people who are nurses who never get the knack of those mere "tasks" sapphire referred to. I guess we could say that surgery is a mere task, and that after some OJT, anybody could learn how to do a lap chole, an appy, a CABG, etc. They're not just "tasks." They are skills that make up part of what it takes to be a nurse/surgeon/etc.

The only thing I've ever heard out of a BSNs mouth regarding the degree is this: we are just glad we got it out of the way at the beginning of our careers, rather than going the ADN route and having to go back to school while working.Most BSNs that I know, at least, have a very practical attitude toward their education; no superiority of degree attainment intended or implied.
This is all I've ever heard out of the mouth of a BSN in real life, too. On this site, however, I have read a few posters who state that ADNs and (especially) LPNs are an embarrassment to nursing and that our existence prevents them from realizing their career goals. It's hard not to take that personal.
Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

Can you please show threads where these slurs occurred? There's never a reason to take things "personal" when others are displaying their own stupidity.

This is all I've ever heard out of the mouth of a BSN in real life, too. On this site, however, I have read a few posters who state that ADNs and (especially) LPNs are an embarrassment to nursing and that our existence prevents them from realizing their career goals. It's hard not to take that personal.

Out of the zillions of BSNs you get a tiny percentage of haughty malcontents who post here anonymously and stir the pot. I don't think they're representative.

You should see what some people post anonymously on political message boards.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
You're assuming one's reaction to the higher educational requirement. Some of us wouldn't think it meant "we aren't good enough." You gotta do what you gotta do, given the requirements of the job. If it means getting more education, you do it...or not.

Like the OP saying she's too old and doesn't want to spend her time reading textbooks. Her choice. And it comes with professional consequences, as she's quickly finding out.

I hate debating these topics for there is no middle. I agree 100% with the OP that it seem that over night the ADN grads with experience are being chucked out the window. It's sad that the profession I have spent my life in has decided it's most experienced members are disposable......;but this is the sad place society is in........Chuck out the old for they aren't worthy. I have my BSN but it added nothing to my practice but a debt I had to pay.

I agree that the new standard should be entry BSN. Now we have online educated nurses which as an old bat....confuses me. It makes me sad the disrespect amongst the ranks.

If you have performed your profession successfully and held Administrative positions are suddenly being told you aren't good enough although you are perfectly qualified. The OP has a license and had the education required for the profession, she completed the education required for the profession, she should be allowed to work.

Although I have my BSN......I got it after many successful years as a nurse. I don't feel it added anything to my practice. It didn't improve my clinical expertise it was just a lot of debt to make someone else happy and to look pretty paper.

You may have to do what you have to do for the requirements for the job.....but the BSN isn't a requirement......... it's a preference.

Sad really.

I'm not stereotyping That's the problem. I'm taking each and every one as an individual, with no relation to the one before them, and the response seems to be the same without provocation.So it must be something gone stray or not present in the 4 year curriculum

Man, I am happy I don't work where you do! I have never heard the phrase, "don't argue with me, I have my BSN!" Likewise, I've also never heard, "don't argue with me, I have more experience than you!" I would be cranky with that kind of animosity in my workplace, too.

I have been very fortunate that my preceptors (both ADN and BSN prepared) have been so willing to teach me things and explain the "why," instead of "this is how it is because I said so!"

If you have performed your profession successfully and held Administrative positions are suddenly being told you aren't good enough although you are perfectly qualified. The OP has a license and had the education required for the profession, she completed the education required for the profession, she should be allowed to work.

Did I miss something? I didn't think OP lost her job for not having a BSN.

I think the push for BSN is due to the hard times... Employers can be pickier about who they hire now, because there are so many people looking for a job. A pro for hiring a BSN? The hospital doesn't have to provide any tuition assistance for a RN to BSN program, because the BSN already paid for it. Its all about the money!

Speaking of my department only, in the last 2.5 years, the new grad hires have been BSN prepared, and the experienced hires have been an equal mix of BSN and ADN.

I agree that the new standard should be entry BSN.

Although I have my BSN......I got it after many successful years as a nurse. I don't feel it added anything to my practice. It didn't improve my clinical expertise it was just a lot of debt to make someone else happy and to look pretty paper.

You may have to do what you have to do for the requirements for the job.....but the BSN isn't a requirement......... it's a preference.

I sense a contradiction.

Whether a BSN is justified or not, I think very few nurses at any level of education think that experienced ADNs should lose their jobs for lack of a BSN. The MBAs who make the staffing decisions are the ones who need to hear these arguments, but I doubt that many of them are reading this thread. Then there's the magnet status issue....

Specializes in ICU / PCU / Telemetry / Oncology.

I am a new grad BSN, and my preceptor is an ADN. I would never argue with his experience! He's teaching me most everything I will know. Not once would I ever suggest that he get his BSN. But I stand by my prior post in saying that if you had a choice between ADN and BSN in 2012 in the NYC metro area and you already have a prior BA or BS, bite the bullet and go accelerated BSN.

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