All of a sudden an ASN is no good anymore

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

Published

I worked my behind off for this ASN. I'd been in college for years until then with the usual useless liberal arts degree because "if I did what I loved I'd never work a day in my life" and was completely useless when it came to getting a job. So when I started as a nurse I was beside myself with joy to have, finally, a real job.

Now fifteen years later, it appears the entire state is pushing for all nurses to have a Bachelor's- hospitals don't even interview without one.

I have experience. And no offense to those of you with advanced degrees, but you couldn't hold my penlight. I've been at countless BSN's side when they have to assist an MD and they fall apart- they can't understand a sterile field, they wonder whether they're actually supposed to hold open a wound, they don't know how to wrap a bandage. A wound vac is from a foreign planet to them.

And those Master's trained RNs, geez. I can see that in your graduate studies you never learned how to start an IV, nor an NGT, and you certainly don't know how to irrigate a foley. That last one becomes comical until that MSN is found trying to irrigate the bubble.

Forgive me for my insolence, oh advanced degrees. I have experience. If I were ill, I would want an experienced nurse, not a college kid who read books about nursing until he got all the answers right on the test. But as has always, always been the case in this country, experience means nothing. Only that little piece of paper. And I'm too darn old to go back to school. Say what you want, but there is a place where you want to enjoy life, and reading textbooks is not a part of that.

I just wonder whose pockets are being filled by making those degrees the law of the land.

Specializes in OB, NICU, Nursing Education (academic).

All of a sudden, OP? I graduated with my undergrad (BSN) degree in 1983. They were talking about "phasing out" ADN as entry level way back then.....30 years ago! It is an old debate, nothing new here.

You state you are too old to go back to school. I just went back (it's been 2 weeks since I began) and have started my PhD. I'm 52.

Can you beat that (for age)?

Finally, for the record, not only can I start IV's with one hand tied behind my back (almost), I have taught HUNDREDS of students to start them as well.

Paper pencil from which ADN program did you graduate?

I graduated from CSCC in Columbus, Ohio.

As some fine print, my goal was not to say a BSN is not valuable. Instead it was for those who might assume an ADN/ASN nurse has not taken stats/chem/whatever. I am currently working on a BSN at OSU.

Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.
What are you getting at? Practical nursing is a separate licensure and scope with a different role in nursing.

I do believe this was said tongue in cheek. The LPN/RN debate has gone on for years as well.

can't even tell you which of my co-workers have a BSN and which ones don't.
It's on the name tag ;)
Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.
I graduated from CSCC in Columbus, Ohio.

As some fine print, my goal was not to say a BSN is not valuable. Instead it was for those who might assume an ADN/ASN nurse has not taken stats/chem/whatever. I am currently working on a BSN at OSU.

I know many ADN courses that require stats.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

My only question to the BSN bandwagon is ........What are your thoughts going to be that after 30 years of bedside nursing, it is decided that having an MSN is the "only bedside education to have" and you are being laid off, downsized with kids in college and you can't find a job as you are no longer "good enough".

...

How will you feel then?

Re-read this whole thread.....fast forward, thirty years from now you are in the position of the ADN grad being addressed by the fresh "better educated" new grad MSN.....how would you feel to be told you just aren't any good any more.

You're assuming one's reaction to the higher educational requirement. Some of us wouldn't think it meant "we aren't good enough." You gotta do what you gotta do, given the requirements of the job. If it means getting more education, you do it...or not.

Like the OP saying she's too old and doesn't want to spend her time reading textbooks. Her choice. And it comes with professional consequences, as she's quickly finding out.

I agree, dudette. Some people want certain jobs and those jobs require certain education. I don't like the people who get mad at others for going and getting these education requirements and say that those people who furthered their education did it just to make ADNs feel beneath them. No one said an ADN person can't go for their BSN, Master's, and Doctorate. OP, if you decide that you can't do it because of your age, you held yourself back; not me.

I do not find this to be a strong argument for superior social/communication skills. Certainly not for being respectful.

Perhaps you would like a long lengthy explaination of what learned socialization skills, mannners and respect are.

What I have found with younger less experienced nurses especially BSN's is that know it all attitude and "I'm right and your wrong" and the attitude "don't argue with me because I have a BSN" Those that display this attitude with patients and families will never have any success at their jobs. This comes across in body language and I have even heard this said on a few occassions. respect is something you are taught from the apron strings on in life and something that is displayed in your actions and words, manners is not barrelling and buldozing your way into some ones private space- whether it be patient, family or co workers- you are not the only one on this universe and the world does not revolve around "you", socialization skills- knowing when to say something, how to say it and how not to say it. Even if a family member or a patient or another coworker is mis informed- It's knowing how to say that without offending and alienating. It's the tone in your voice, your body language, it's how your coming across.

How it comes into play into the hospital unit world is- what my old Med/Surg instructor, who insidently we all hated- she was a "B**** on wheels", told us way back in 1977 'IN Nursing, you have to get your mind, your hands and your feet moving at the same time" and they all have to be saying the same thing- what you are saying has to be shown in what you are doing and how you present yourself. In these diploma schools of old- we had this communication skills, body language, in our curriculum(we had classes in therapudic and effective communication skills) and were evaluated on it in our clinicals. We were taught it and expected to perform that way. It was listed as a competency in our evaluations. We were taught how to be busy on a floor and come accross correctly in words and actions.

You need to respect the age and the experience. Your grandmother may not even have a high school education does that mean every time you see her you call her and treat her like "you dumb F***, that's not what that means" or "you can't even read that, how do you know what that is?" or "your just too old to understand that" all the degrees and education in the world will not excuse that kind of social blundering. I makes not positive argument for higher education. The first thing your co-workers and patients and family members think to themselves is "that's a 4 year education, that's what college teaches you? good god!" I know- I have thought it to myself on SEVERAL occassions.

Just because an older more experienced nurse doesn't correct your disrespect- don't think that older nurses doesn't get it!! and didn't recognize it for what it is!!

Silence doesn't equal agreement.!! You can be assured you are the biggest joke in the crusty old bat old nurses society!!! That's part of socialization also.

"Nursing" needs to move away from the vocational mentality. CNA needs to be a 6 month course instead of two weeks; LVN 1 year diploma and LPN 2 year (AS degree) and RN should be a 4 year degree. Specialties/Concentrations of studies should be a "Masters" on par with other professions.

I predict it will move in that direction. Most vocational programs are being stolen by colleges to further stuff their pockets. And "Associations" get to stuff their egos.

kc, how about you take each situation and each person with a BSN on a case by case basis. Quit stereotyping people and maybe you'll get a better response.

I'd hate to be near you when you're trying to offend someone. I know nurses with BSN's who are awful, and some who are great. And I know people with ASN's that are awful, and some who are great. YOU are putting too much emphasis on something that doesn't really matter. Go back to school or find a new field. The world is constantly changing, change with it or be left out. No reason to be hateful towards an entire group of people, talk about generalizing.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

The only thing I've ever heard out of a BSNs mouth regarding the degree is this: we are just glad we got it out of the way at the beginning of our careers, rather than going the ADN route and having to go back to school while working.

Most BSNs that I know, at least, have a very practical attitude toward their education; no superiority of degree attainment intended or implied.

+ Add a Comment