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Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 5

Crusades said:

Whine about attacks against Trump? LOL I really don't Carre about attacks against Trump.

Sure.

I guess the statement that prompted me saying that "The only thing that matters in this forum is Trump is bad. Anything Trump says or does is bad. No matter what." and the many times you've deflected to "but you call him a Nazi" and the many times you've deflected to "he won the election" is you not caring.

Gotcha.

Beerman, BSN · Mar 5

Tweety said:

In no media have I heard the word "meltdown" and I would disagree that it's over the top. It made headline news around the world because it's news not over the top.

The about face I'm talking about is that Trump said jump, and people like Graham who had already met with him in a private meeting and was in a post saying it was a good meeting and "stand with Ukraine" jumped when Trump said jump and is calling for Zelensky to resign. This despite some of Trump's lies about him starting the war, being a dictator, being ungrateful and giving a false figure of the amount we've given. All Republicans and Fox News followed suit as well. I think that's pretty powerful of Trump and kind of threw me for a loop.

Zelensky knows very well he has no bargaining power. He has consistently asked for more and more from the allies for the last three years, he gets billions and has to lobby for more, and I understand fatigue with that.

NPR put it best when talking about his upcoming congressional address "his supporters are thrilled and his detractors are dismayed".

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-trumps-claims-amount-us-aid-ukraine/story?id=119167409

Do you think I just made it up?

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-02-28/trump-has-meltdown-when-zelenskyy-balks-at-deal-he-can-come-back-when-he-is-ready-for-peace

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/podcasts/the-daily/zelensky-trumps-oval-office.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/press-sec-says-it-was-refreshing-to-watch-trump-tear-lumps-out-of-zelensky-in-the-white-house/

And I've heard it on CNN and seen others on social media, such as a link to a left wing podcast.

Did you watch the whole hour of the press conference or just the few minutes that most media showed? He was renegotiating live and did sound ungrateful, imo. He may not have meant it that way, but that's how it came across to many.

Yep, some of the things Trump have said have been questionable. The one I hear most about is he exaggerated the cost. Imo, if the real number is $180 BILLION, that seems plenty enough. Next to nothing has come from it over three years. In the grand scheme of things does it matter if Trump says it's more?

toomuchbaloney · Mar 5

Beerman said:

Do you think I just made it up?

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-02-28/trump-has-meltdown-when-zelenskyy-balks-at-deal-he-can-come-back-when-he-is-ready-for-peace

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/podcasts/the-daily/zelensky-trumps-oval-office.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/press-sec-says-it-was-refreshing-to-watch-trump-tear-lumps-out-of-zelensky-in-the-white-house/

And I've heard it on CNN and seen others on social media, such as a link to a left wing podcast.

Did you watch the whole hour of the press conference or just the few minutes that most media showed? He was renegotiating live and did sound ungrateful, imo. He may not have meant it that way, but that's how it came across to many.

Yep, some of the things Trump have said have been questionable. The one I hear most about is he exaggerated the cost. Imo, if the real number is $180 BILLION, that seems plenty enough. Next to nothing has come from it over three years. In the grand scheme of things does it matter if Trump says it's more?

In the grand scheme of things, none of Trump's lies or fabrications or threats matter to his supporters. None of them. The lies and incompetence during a pandemic didn't matter and Trump repeating Russian propaganda and siding with the brutal dictator who stole 10s of thousands of Ukrainian children don't matter to his devoted supporters.

Felonies don't matter. Fraud doesn't matter. Infidelity doesn't matter. Habitual lying doesn't matter. Breaking the constitution doesn't matter.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 5

Beerman said:

Do you think I just made it up?

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-02-28/trump-has-meltdown-when-zelenskyy-balks-at-deal-he-can-come-back-when-he-is-ready-for-peace

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/podcasts/the-daily/zelensky-trumps-oval-office.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/press-sec-says-it-was-refreshing-to-watch-trump-tear-lumps-out-of-zelensky-in-the-white-house/

And I've heard it on CNN and seen others on social media, such as a link to a left wing podcast.

Did you watch the whole hour of the press conference or just the few minutes that most media showed? He was renegotiating live and did sound ungrateful, imo. He may not have meant it that way, but that's how it came across to many.

Yep, some of the things Trump have said have been questionable. The one I hear most about is he exaggerated the cost. Imo, if the real number is $180 BILLION, that seems plenty enough. Next to nothing has come from it over three years. In the grand scheme of things does it matter if Trump says it's more?

"questionable" equals lies. Say it's time to change course and strategy but do it on the world stage with integrity and honesty.

I didn't accuse you of making it up. As a news aware person myself, in my readings, listening to new podcasts (and viewing on ABC Nightly News that my renter watches) you bringing it up is the first time I heard it. It definitely was a meeting that deteriorated. Trump definitely changed from his pro Ukraine hints at the start of his administration to his anti Ukraine stance after talking with Putin.

I was at work and didn't watch the whole thing so yes my thoughts are from my opinions and the news. Remember I don't consume left wing media or podcasts. I do see Fox News with patients.

I'm open to a honest discussion, emphasize honest, about our role in Ukraine.

I will listen to the highlights of his longest speech ever from a President to a congress and hopefully, besides the expected boasting, I expect he will be more Presidential about a peace deal. I chose BBC that has a special podcast about it. I don't approve of heckling a President.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 5

Listening to some of the highlights of his speech he did take a more consiliatory tone towards Ukraine and made the good point that making peace requires talking to both sides

Mostly it seemed about his domestic agenda. Nothing surprising actually. Again I don't approve of the heckling.

Honoring the family of the man that was killed at his rally and then saying God saved him to MAGA was a bit cringe.

I will say that I don't think that we've necessarily been taken advantage by other countries as much as big American businesses sending jobs to them but that's just me. Obviously those countries offer incentives.

Again, if you agree with Trump's agenda it was good, if not then not.

Beerman, BSN · Mar 5

Tweety said:

Listening to some of the highlights of his speech he did take a more consiliatory tone towards Ukraine and made the good point that making peace requires talking to both sides

Mostly it seemed about his domestic agenda. Nothing surprising actually. Again I don't approve of the heckling.

Honoring the family of the man that was killed at his rally and then saying God saved him to MAGA was a bit cringe.

I will say that I don't think that we've necessarily been taken advantage by other countries as much as big American businesses sending jobs to them but that's just me. Obviously those countries offer incentives.

Again, if you agree with Trump's agenda it was good, if not then not.

I'm still not sure where he is anti Ukraine came from. He wants to invest in and put some American business there. That in itself would be security for Ukraine.

Just as bad or maybe worse then the heckling is sitting silent and stone faced when positive things are talked about. Like the heckling and Nancy tearing up his speech in the past, that is more embarrassing then the Trump meltdown last week.

I'm sure your last comment is correct. Although, I'm not sure what exactly he said that most Americans would disagree with? Maybe you or others here will provide examples?

Looks like outside of Democrats, his speech was favorable to most:

"The poll found 76 percent said they "approve" of Trump's address, with 23 percent saying they disapprove.

A majority of the people who chose to watch Trump's speech were Republicans (51 percent), with 27 percent saying they were independents and 20 percent Democrats."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-congress-speech-poll-approve-2039740

Crusades · Mar 5

Beerman said:

I'm still not sure where he is anti Ukraine came from. He wants to invest in and put some American business there. That in itself would be security for Ukraine.

Just as bad or maybe worse then the heckling is sitting silent and stone faced when positive things are talked about. Like the heckling and Nancy tearing up his speech in the past, that is more embarrassing then the Trump meltdown last week.

I'm sure your last comment is correct. Although, I'm not sure what exactly he said that most Americans would disagree with? Maybe you or others here will provide examples?

Looks like outside of Democrats, his speech was favorable to most:

"The poll found 76 percent said they "approve" of Trump's address, with 23 percent saying they disapprove.

A majority of the people who chose to watch Trump's speech were Republicans (51 percent), with 27 percent saying they were independents and 20 percent Democrats."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-congress-speech-poll-approve-2039740

That's a great question! What do they disagree with, beyond its Trump? I wonder if anyone here would able to provide examples of they would want Trump to do? What would be acceptable? And specifically, what objection they have to What Trump said?

Crusades · Mar 5

Tweety said:

Sure.

I guess the statement that prompted me saying that "The only thing that matters in this forum is Trump is bad. Anything Trump says or does is bad. No matter what." and the many times you've deflected to "but you call him a Nazi" and the many times you've deflected to "he won the election" is you not caring.

Gotcha.

Fair enough. But keep on pretending that this forum isn't dominated and polluted with criticism of Trump on the basis it is Trump.

Keep pretending the discussions are non bias and intended to only discuss the facts. And not defame, smear and critizing anyone with even a slightly different opinion. With blatant and suble accusations of being a Nazi or a far right extremist. A racist and ignorant and stupid because they support Trump. Who yes, indeed win the election, the popular vote and flipped all 7 swing states. Not to mention secured more than expected black and Hispanic votes. Because race does matter in these threads.as well.

(Not all applies to you).

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 6

Beerman said:

I'm still not sure where he is anti Ukraine came from. He wants to invest in and put some American business there. That in itself would be security for Ukraine.

Just as bad or maybe worse then the heckling is sitting silent and stone faced when positive things are talked about. Like the heckling and Nancy tearing up his speech in the past, that is more embarrassing then the Trump meltdown last week.

I'm sure your last comment is correct. Although, I'm not sure what exactly he said that most Americans would disagree with? Maybe you or others here will provide examples?

Looks like outside of Democrats, his speech was favorable to most:

"The poll found 76 percent said they "approve" of Trump's address, with 23 percent saying they disapprove.

A majority of the people who chose to watch Trump's speech were Republicans (51 percent), with 27 percent saying they were independents and 20 percent Democrats."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-congress-speech-poll-approve-2039740

The lies I mentioned in another post, and him being asked to leave the White House, is what I was talking about when I said anti-Ukraine. The script wasn't "I want to invest in your country". (Our helping Ukraine put billions into our military industrial complex and like most arms deals we have around the world Americans profit),.

I didn't watch his speech and can't comment on it much. My thoughts are if you disagree with his agenda, such as DOGE, signing legislation to make only two genders, or tax cuts, then there might be issues with his speech.

Yes, I know how popular and powerful Trump is.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 6

Crusades said:

Fair enough. But keep on pretending that this forum isn't dominated and polluted with criticism of Trump on the basis it is Trump.

I understand it and don't pretend anything.

Trump is a vile person that nauseates me but I give him the benefit of the dought and approval when necessary. I and others are biased against Trump. You can't say you don't sprew vile about Democrats either. It's how it is and we will go back and forth about it. I get a bit tired of broken records from each other though. There's only so many times you can rub in he won the election and Democrats called him a Nazi and me say he's a liar and and felon before it gets old..it is old already.

toomuchbaloney · Mar 6

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/mar/06/trump-education-tariffs-ukraine-hamas-usaid-medicare-federal-workers-us-politics-live-news

Quote

The White House announced that Donald Trump will sign executive orders at 2pm ET.

While they did not specify what he may sign, the president is reported to be ready to order the closure of the department of education. Expect a court battle to ensue, since the department was created by Congress in 1980, but Trump is attempting to use his executive authority to shut it down.

Does that mean that McMahon will be out of a job if Trump dumps the Department of Education?

Crusades · Mar 6

Tweety said:

I understand it and don't pretend anything.

Trump is a vile person that nauseates me but I give him the benefit of the dought and approval when necessary. I and others are biased against Trump. You can't say you don't sprew vile about Democrats either. It's how it is and we will go back and forth about it. I get a bit tired of broken records from each other though. There's only so many times you can rub in he won the election and Democrats called him a Nazi and me say he's a liar and and felon before it gets old..it is old already.

Yes you do provide a well rounded opinion and will give credit where credit is due.

While I critize democrats I am not aware of calling them something as vile as a Nazi or Hitler. Or suggesting they are an existential threat that needs to be eliminated. So I would disagree. I also do not tend to defame everyday democrat voters either (p.s neither does Trump) Other than responding to some members after they've called me a disgusting name and questioned my credentials .

It does get old going around in circles. I don't expect it to change. I've been informed it's been this way for a while.