What can I do locally if I am against the mandatory flu vaccine? - page 2

by lolakbolak

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I still believe in personal choice regardless of what president Obama mandates me to do. If I was a drug company giant and stood to make billions of dollars by pushing a vaccine or drug, I might just interfere in policy and... Read More


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    Quote from jadelpn
    Personal choice is personal choice, and unlikely to be changed or swayed. Until, like me, one gets the flu. And numerous complications from the flu. And feeling like my end had come for a few WEEKS. Yuppers, from this point on, I made a concious decision that if I am exposed to people with the flu in nursing, then I need to protect myself. I have had every good intention "I don't want to mess with my immune system" "the flu shot could make me ill" "It is not natural" "It is the government telling me what I need to do with my body". And as I was hacking up half a lung, could hardly get out of the bed, and had a temperature of 101, that is what swayed me into the way of thinking that perhaps this flu shot idea was not half bad. On the flip side of things, to see an infant intubated because they acquired the flu from someone who did not get vaccinated, changes one's perpective a great deal as well. Kids and elderly people die from this stuff. Crusty old bats like me are reduced to tears for the anguish of it all--especially when one is half crazy with a high fever. It sucks, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. And governmental conspiricy theories--they could use the strains of the flu for population control--as I thought I was a dead woman. For real.
    I don't think people understand how bad these conditions used to be without vaccines.
    laborer, Dazglue, Rose_Queen, and 1 other like this.
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    Quote from lolakbolak
    Sorry but you can't look up what the vaccine contains- the package insert doesn't list the preservatives and various chemicals that go into making it
    https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image....pe=product_pdf
    What are the ingredients in Fluzone vaccine?
    Fluzone vaccine contains 3 killed flu virus strains.
    Inactive ingredients include formaldehyde, octylphenol ethoxylate, and gelatin. The preservative thimerosal is only in the 10 dose
    (multi-dose) vial of Fluzone vaccine.

    List of vaccine package inserts: Institute for Vaccine Safety - Package Inserts

    Oh, and make sure you look up all the other household products that we touch, wear, bathe with, ingest etc. that contain formaldehyde before you get all excited about that 1mL vaccine that has some formaldehyde in it. Also, hope you don't smoke.

    Just make sure you're consistently screechy when getting all jacked up about dangerous chemicals.
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    Ingredient Quantity (perdose)
    Fluzone 0.25 mL Dose Fluzone 0.5 mL Dose Fluzone High-Dose 0.5 mL Dose Fluzone Intradermal 0.1 mL Dose
    Active Substance: Split influenza virus, inactivated strainsa: 22.5 mcg HA total 45 mcg HA total 180 mcg HA total 27 mcg HA total
    A (H1N1) 7.5 mcg HA 15 mcg HA 60 mcg HA 9 mcg HA
    A (H3N2) 7.5 mcg HA 15 mcg HA 60 mcg HA 9 mcg HA
    B 7.5 mcg HA 15 mcg HA 60 mcg HA 9 mcg HA
    Other:
    Sodium phosphate-buffered isotonic sodium chloride solution QSb to appropriate volume QSb to appropriate volume QSb to appropriate volume QSb to appropriate volume
    Formaldehyde ≤ 50 mcg ≤ 100 mcg ≤ 100 mcg ≤ 20 mcg
    Octylphenol Ethoxylate ≤ 75 mcg ≤ 150 mcg ≤ 250 mcg ≤ 50 mcg
    Gelatin 0.05% 0.05% None None
    Preservative
    Single-Dose Presentations None None None None
    Multi-Dose Presentation (Thimerosal) N/A 25 mcg mercury N/A N/A
    a per United States Public Health Service (USPHS) requirement.
    b Quantity Sufficient.
    N/A not applicable




    Out there on the WWW for the whole world to see. Google says "About 3,670,000 results (0.24 seconds)." I am sure some of those results say there are alien DNA, rat turds and turpentine in there too.
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    Obama doesn't have anything to do with mandatory flu vaccines. What kind of propaganda garbage are you listening to?
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    I'm really interested to know where this idea of "Obama is forcing me to take the flu shot" came from.... the federal government does not mandate vaccines. Vaccines are not mandatory at all... there are just certain things (like public school or living in a college dorm or working in a hospital) that you are may be excluded from from if you choose not to abide by the vaccine requirements for those things.
    hiddencatRN, JZ_RN, Rose_Queen, and 4 others like this.
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    Honestly haven't we seen enough threads on the evils of the flu vaccine. May you're not old enough to remember when kids got polio before that vaccine was available. We weren't forced to take that vaccine, but our mothers practically ran to the pediatrician's office. Vaccines save lives. Your refusal to be vaccinated could endanger mine.
    JZ_RN, NRSKarenRN, redhead_NURSE98!, and 1 other like this.
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    Quote from lolakbolak
    Does anybody know exactly what the flu vaccine contains?
    I find it interesting that people take medications every day yet never ask 'what are the inert ingredients and preservatives in this med? What are some severe side effects of the drug?' Yet, they 'blindly' continue to take the med everyday.

    Never once have a had a patient question the additives in their dose of dilaudid. It is very very rare that someone says 'hey, my life is going to be better if I don't have to take percocet everyday.' Yet some of these individuals think we are trying to poison them with the flu shot.

    Skepticism can be good, but it should apply to all meds.
    hiddencatRN, JZ_RN, NRSKarenRN, and 5 others like this.
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    Quote from jadelpn
    Personal choice is personal choice, and unlikely to be changed or swayed. Until, like me, one gets the flu. And numerous complications from the flu. And feeling like my end had come for a few WEEKS. Yuppers, from this point on, I made a concious decision that if I am exposed to people with the flu in nursing, then I need to protect myself. I have had every good intention "I don't want to mess with my immune system" "the flu shot could make me ill" "It is not natural" "It is the government telling me what I need to do with my body". And as I was hacking up half a lung, could hardly get out of the bed, and had a temperature of 101, that is what swayed me into the way of thinking that perhaps this flu shot idea was not half bad. On the flip side of things, to see an infant intubated because they acquired the flu from someone who did not get vaccinated, changes one's perpective a great deal as well. Kids and elderly people die from this stuff. Crusty old bats like me are reduced to tears for the anguish of it all--especially when one is half crazy with a high fever. It sucks, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. And governmental conspiricy theories--they could use the strains of the flu for population control--as I thought I was a dead woman. For real.
    Five kids are in ECMO because of the flu...2ParaFlu, 2 Flu A, 1Flu AB... Two kids have died in the past month because of the Flu...

    I also had the flu as severe as that...I remember I was about 20 got dropped from my mom's insurance because I went from full-time to part time in school, and I SWORE I was going to DIE as well. Once I got my own insurance two years later, I NEVER decline the flu shot...never again, especially I got it the year I got insurance and was able to afford the z-pack for the mid-upper respiratory infection from having the flu. I get the flu shot as soon as it is available.
    JZ_RN, NRSKarenRN, and jadelpn like this.
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    I have had 62 winters, and never known to have had the flu. The children Ladyfree's post, I would bet you had underlying conditions. HOW many persons actually die of the "flu"? I am thinking rather few. But the federal government, yes the CMMS is the feds after all, wants to force me to have the vaccine, or I can't work, d/t reduced recompense for my employer. Make no mistake, they know exactly what the consequence of that proposed reg was, they get what they want and are protected from lawsuit. Remember that small group of preg. women in Oz in the ICU with the flu? All of them (4or 5, I think) were IgG def, what is the vac going to do for them? We need to understand that death is inevitable, for some it will be flu or the sequelae there of. And no, I am not anti most vaccines, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus, cool with me.
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    Good day:

    In my case, I've had the flu shot a number of times over the years; and there have been times I've not had it (I'm 49 if that helps put time in perspective).

    Every single time I got the shot, I got sick. Whether I got the flu or not had zero (0) to do with whether I had the flu shot. Sometimes I got the flu even though I had the shot; sometimes I did not get the flu (either way). No matter whether I had the shot or not, if I got the flu, it ran the same time frame for how long it lasted.

    Based on that experience over time, I've made the decision (and my wife independently came to the same conconclusion) the flu shot for us was not worth the getting sick part with little to no benefit (i.e. zero protection in our case from getting the flu; and zero time benefit if we did get the flu).

    Thank you.


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