Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires - page 7
My workplace, a freestanding specialty hospital owned by a for-profit corporation that operates multiple facilities across the United States, has been having recent troubles with low Press Ganey... Read More
Mar 1, '13Quote from samadams8LOL, yes.OK, honestly, do you usually write all that alphabet soup after your name? Seriously. . .?
Mar 1, '13Quote from TheCommuterIn that case, your OP is even worse than I imagined. No new grads? Sounds like a terrible, anti-education, anti-teaching facility to me. Is this in the boonies of Wyoming or something?I am the OP. My facility hired no new grads.
None of the new hires are new grads, as my workplace would loathe having to spend staggering amounts of money on 3-month new grad orientations. They all have anywhere from one to six years of experience.
I also notice that my workplace hired no 45-year-old newer nurses, even though plenty of 'older' second-career new nurses are looking for work in the metro area where I live.
At any rate, it sounds like your facility is going for the next best thing to new grads: young people with little experience and very open minds. Congratulations to them on doing something right.
Mar 1, '13It can be a sad thing when nursing becomes more commercialized when they have to hire these types of people.
Mar 1, '13Quote from Jenni811(shrug) That is an impressive ACADEMIC acomplishment and may well benifit you when you get around to applying to grad school. However since we are talking about floor nursing and we all know nursing school has little in common with NURSING, and there is no inducation that good grades in nursing school = sucess in nursing.How about the fact i graduated with a 3.7GPA and made the deans list 4 years running.
Mar 1, '13Quote from TheCommuterBut if a new, cute nurse writes a post about how she disagrees with her nursing unit hiring a bunch of older, ugly nurses, she would be crucified.Some people seem to have missed my point, which is that units need a healthy mix of experience and inexperience. Then again, some people are dramatic 'offendonistas' who purposely seek to become offended when no offense was intended.
Its rather immature to write a long post obviously biased against new nurses and then state afterward you weren't meaning to be offensive.
Every nurse can bring something to the table that is new and exciting. Even 24 year olds.
Mar 1, '13I am amazed at how many nurses are willing to stay with a hostile environment. I know there are many reasons for this, but the wrong job will kill you. Nursing is 1000 different jobs. Start looking, and take your time.
Mar 1, '13Quote from PureLifeRNAnd it's rather immature to take offense when no offense was intended.Its rather immature to write a long post obviously biased against new nurses and then state afterward you weren't meaning to be offensive.
I do not feel that my post/article was completely biased against newer nurses, but feel free to disagree. The beauty of living in America is the right to express our opinions, regardless of the fact that certain people will always interpret them to meet their own argumentative needs. Some individuals will always look for a bone to pick.
Mar 1, '13This is so interesting ! Not long ago ,there was a post that was asking for advice to HR questions for where I am presently employed ,and my response was - "As long as you are young and cute , you will be hired.". My Super Monster of a teaching hospital has always done this sort of hiring ,once the nursing shortage was over.
Mar 1, '13Quote from Violach... Not today, but if you were a frequent (or even infrequent) flyer in the 60's and 70's you'd recall nearly 100% of flight attendants looked like that at many (every?) airlines, back when airlines had weight standards strictly enforced. Reminded me of an industry fashion show back then.I was a flight attendant for seven years prior to pursuing my BSN. I can assure you that 90% of them do not look like this. Hahaha.
Decades ago when I worked at UPS (United Parcel Service) one driver described the clinic he went to and how all the workers looked. Where do you thin EVERY male driver (all but one of our drivers) went that year (and many subsequently) for that annual checkup/physical? The benefit to that clinic was obvious from a financial standpoint, not just that year, but subsequent years just on word-of-mouth from one UPS driver. Multiply that by other people spreading the word x pricey procedures and, well, you understand the financial impact.
I get it looking through the eyes as a person who runs a business. However I find it an unfortunate reality in healthcare. The practice of not hiring the new grad, and not hiring the highly experienced and or educated is proverb in the field of healthcare and education... There's a lot of highly experienced healthcare workers and PhD educators who can't find work. The number of people today not disclosing that they have a PhD is a sad testament.
Old guy with super long nose hair and hair growing out of his ears, or the frumpy old nurse with bad back and shrewd face, skilled hands and that partial non-fake, honest smile that lets you know she's got your back... But don't get on her nerves!
I couldn't care less, as long as I get the best care possible.Last edit by teiladay on Mar 1, '13 : Reason: Spell/addition
Mar 1, '13Well there are plenty of new grads that are young, slim and willing to please management.
Its not like you can prove that they are hiring based on looks. If you look at their qualifications as long as they are legal RNs, they are authorized to work in the hospital as such.
From an learning stand point, it would most likely benefit me to hit the gym and lose some weight and perhaps some spray on abs. Marketability isn't just who or what you know, but also the public appearance you express.
Mar 1, '13To me the saddest part of this whole thing is that it is strong evidence of how far nurses position has eroded. Not long ago, pre-2008, hospitals used to fight for nurses. It was the hospital telling US why we should consider working for them. I remember in the little rural community college where I went to nursing school a nurse recruiter from a big, fancy out of state hospital came around. His hospital was offering to fly us down to their city and put us up in a nice hotel for a whole weekend if we would agree to sit through a 3 hour presentation about why we should consider applying to that hospital. This was for still-in-school ADN students. I aplied for 5 jobs in about March of my last year (only year in my case) of nursing school and interviewed at 4 of them over spring break. All of them, including Mayo Clinic offered me a job (what a stroke of luck for me I didn't accept the Mayo position). The 5th hospital didn't even wait to intervew me but offed me a job over the phone about 2 hours after they recieved my application. 4 of the 5 offered jobs were in ICU (what I wanted) and the 5th was for a combined ICU/ER postion in a small hospital. Several offered sign on bonuses. I ended up choosing one that didn't pay well but offered a 9 month critical care nurse residency program AND $5K in sign on bonus AND $5K in relocation assistance.
Back then hospitals had to treat their nurses at least reasonably well or risk RNs voting with their feet. Sure there were some dysfunctional units/hospitals but they were easy to spot and few RNs tolerated them for long, they didn't need to. Pay raises came around at least yearly, benifits were pretty good and not too expensive.
I remeber very well in 2008 when for the first time the hospital where I worked suddenly found itself with more RN applicants than it had openings. Most of our open positions were snapped up by part time RNs going full time and there was suddenly a line of RNs waiting for each open position. The change in managment's attitude was like walking into an industrial cooler on a hot summer day. Suddenly it was all "this is the way it is and if you don't like it leave" and "no pay raises this year".
This is a direct result of the planned glut of nurses brought about by the false and self serving "nursing shortage" propaganda. Even worse we nurses, though our tax dollars, subsidized the seeds of our own destruction when nurse employers lobbied state and federal governements to greatly expand with tax payer money. My school went from one class of 30-40 students graduating a year to 2 classes of 70-80 graduates.
Mar 1, '13The awful truth is that most women are SO catty. Does it REALLY matter how a new nurse LOOKS as long as they're a great nurse and willing to help/learn?
Are you as threatened by the new nurses who are in their 40's-50's that went into nursing as a second career? The ones that aren't "young, thin, and cute". They're new too! Didn't you have to start somewhere too? I'm glad most of the more experienced nurses I've worked with (as a CNA) don't have that attitude towards the younger, new grads. It must be a nightmare for new grads working with people who think like this. Mutual respect goes a long way.