Men In Nursing Issues - page 2
I need your input! I am in a debate in nursing school. The topic is "Men in Nursing." (I'm on the "pro" side of the debate). If any of you have ever had an experience with a male nurse, or you are... Read More
3May 7, '13 by amoLuciaI know this will be off the track for this thread but... Just this morning on one of those newsy topic commentator short -type TV show spots was a short piece on men entering nursing. I think it latched onto the fact that it's Nsg Week.
Reporters/guests commented that men are SIGNIFICANTLY entering the nsg profession, but then they started noting some interesting details.
- for many men, nsg is a second career. Nsg jobs are avail where their first choices/jobs have been closed out
- men are NOT staying at the bedside, but moving into specialties and management/administration
- advanced education is a given usually
- salaries for men in the field were more than that for women. Early in their practice and as they moved up the ladder
They gave statistics and percentages that I would like/need to check for accuracy/veracity.
At first, that last info disappointed and angered me. But then I remember how salaries and general public perception of teachers and the education profession evolved post-WW II.
There was a need for more teachers post-WW II for the new baby boomer generation being born. Returning GIs took advantage of the GI bill and went on to school to earn their teaching credentials as the jobs were out there. Initial salaries & working environments left much to be desired for a traditional women-dominated profession.
But men entering the field weren't going to settle for such minimal wages/benefits. Remember that these men were trained, ex-military and many previously employed in a unionized labor workforce and they were needing to be the financial support for their families (women were still June Cleaver/Donna Reeds). The field/plight of teaching IMPROVED with time to today's standards. The guys brought up teaching to professional status.
Think about academia today. So many professors, deans, provosts, presidents, etc of our most prestigious facilities are well educated, credentialed men who are VERY well paid. Women are trying to get there, but they do lag behind. Women still staff the lower grade schools (where the bambinos are). Is this saying something to us???
I can go o & on about an aging baby boomer population (needs similar to the other far end of the age spectrum). And we are still a female-dominated profession. I see it changing but it will take time. I see men in the field as positive change.
Sorry for the soap-box.
0May 7, '13 by tenjunaAs was said before, just having posted this perpetuates the man vs woman debate. You could easily have this same discussion about women working a "man's job", which afaik is not even talked about anymore...so why even have this debate?
Having said that, the stereotypes and discrimination are still alive and well thank you very much. But it's not something I can't roll my eyes at and move on.
Probably 25% of patients I have seen have asked for a female nurse instead. I respect this as merely a personal choice, not that I should be offended or whatever.
In other words, the only "problems" I have had are with instructors and other nurses, but they will get over it eventually. Hopefully.
0May 7, '13 by OldDudeWell, the one thing that can't be argued is that nursing is dominated by females (not that there's anything wrong with that!). As many times as I hear a nurse referred to as "she" or "her" reinforces to me that most people imagine a nurse to be female. When I make a telephone call and introduce myself as "so and so," a nurse at "so and so," I often received a "Yes maam - I mean yes sir;" indicating the subconscious connection between nurse and female. This week Medscape put out a special report of "The American Nurse: As Real As It Gets," in observance of nurse week. There are 15 photos with corresponding bios. 14 are female and 1 is male. That's OK, once I was able to extract myself from the perils of a guy in nursing school I've been welcomed into the club.
1May 7, '13 by ArrowRN, BSN, RNQuote from SycamoreGuyyeah sometimes the whole issue makes me rethink nursing school and just become a PA, but guess what , according to latest stats, PA's are quickly becoming female a dominated profession. The whole debate is silly...to the poster I'd like to know if there are any men in your class???...my class has 7 men, we are definitely growing in numbers and here to stay. The future is nursing is going to change and it's men who are going to help with that. This debate will dare not happen in an MD class...one word lawsuit! When will we stop treating nurses, men and women , like second class medical professionals!Do they debate if women should be Doctors on the MD forums?
0May 7, '13 by adpie28Thank you everyone for your very candid responses. First, I want to clarify that this debate is merely an exercise for us in a Bachelor's program of nursing. I am doing one of about 15 topics. Our group of 4 was assigned this topic. Our instructor is keenly aware that the notion of males not being accepted into the workplace is antiquated, however, the real focus is on patient reactions. I received great feedback on that as well. That this is a very deep emotional feeling was clearly apparent and you expressed that this topic was ludicrous! In a sense, it is... but the reality is that we are faced with gender biases every day. When it comes to human touch it is even more evident. Because, as a society, we are taught that men touching women in any way is inappropriate. Where we draw the line in an occupation makes it the topic at hand. So, just to make sure, I didn't mean to offend anyone - I'm merely trying to complete an assignment. I will tell you that I am bringing your emotions and your comments into it because it really does matter in the long run how society keeps up this issue of touch. Sexual harassment is so much on top of everyone's radar that it makes doing a job of caring for someone questionable, which is where the problem lies.
If you want to continue to leave comments on what I've said here, I welcome them!
Thanks again to all of you! I will be going to my debate on Friday and plan to make an impact!
2May 8, '13 by ArrowRN, BSN, RNYeah adpie28 we all understand that, but let me be really blunt.
If it was just a gender issue and sexual harassment was the concern, then why is it not the same attitude across the board with male doctors? For example, in clinicals, the nurse would like have to announce to the female patient that "HEY WE GOT A MALE NURSE STUDENT COMING IN YOUR ROOM, IS THAT OK?"...yet you never hear "HEY WAS GOT A MALE DOCTOR COMING IN YOUR ROOM IS THAT OK?".
Why are male nurses being treated like pedophiles and sex predators and male doctors are not? This in itself conflicts with another male nurse stereotype that all male nurses are gay. You figure that one out cause its all up in society's head and in the patient's head that male nurses are perverts and male doctors are medical professionals. I know that in private offices there are females who go to particular female doctors, but looking at say OB/GYN,a lot of those doctors are males, my wife had one, and there is no issue. Then if you look at coming to a hospital, most patients have no choice in what gender doctor they get, yet we give them a gender choice in what nurse they get? What are we really saying?
And on the flip side, male patients never get the announcement ""HEY WE GOT A FEMALE NURSE STUDENT COMING IN YOUR ROOM, IS THAT OK?" so what the heck? And don't tell me that crap about female nurses don't talk about some of the male privates that they see(i don't mean sexually), cause I've heard it from their own mouths.
I've said this in forums before, in my view that whole gender announcement by our nurses needs to go away and the patient needs to be stuck with what ever gender they get and if they don't like it then they can take their sick butts and crawl to another hospital. The only time gender should be a concern is if it was like a rape case or something like that. So the issue is its not a gender bias in the medical profession, its a gender bias with male nurses.
I still remember my first emergency pregnancy way back when I was an EMT, and you know what I remember most? My female counterpart was flipping out cause it was her first too and she was scared at what to do and I had to take charge...She was like we have to get her to the ambulance now! I was like, there is crowning, this baby is coming now and their's no way we would make it to the hospital, we have to deliver. I've been in lots of situations where I noticed male nurses tend to be more calm and directed and that is good for the profession, if we don't see that, will then we are lost as a society.