Experienced Nurses Only - page 6

No replies from students please! Nurses, are you frustrated with trying to read theses forums only to find that most of the posts are from students or nurse wanna-be's looking for medical advice?... Read More

  1. by   piper_for_hire
    I was on this board before and after nursing school and I think it's just fine the way that it is.

    -S
  2. by   TazziRN
    Wow....I can't believe I made it this late in the day before seeing this thread!

    I have nothing against students posting and venting and asking questions....that is how they learn and we experienced nurses can learn a lot from them. HOWEVER......I do have a problem with venting only to be told by students and wannabe's that we have a poor attitude and how can we talk to pts that way, etc. etc. There are threads that display our own brand of humor and we were FLAMED by students for our attitudes. Students are more than welcome to ask me questions and I will explain things, but I resent students who tell us we are doing things wrong or are burned out because of how we handle situations. If most experienced nurses handle situations similarly, judgemental students should stop and think that all those experienced nurses can't be wrong.
  3. by   OB_or_NICU_hopeful
    Quote from texas_lvn
    I was not directing the RN/LVN at you. Please do not take offense.
    I agree about having a cruddy night and wanting to vent. I do get upset when someone was a thread and the first response is "if your unhappy, leave!" But I have to say I doubt that only students write that. And I doubt that having an experienced nursing only forum would eliminate this.

    I am all about having the forum, but I think I took offense to the "Experienced RN's" and the typo scenerio.

    And OP, You still not have answered what an experienced nurse is.?.?.?.?.?

    Edit to add: I LOVE THE FACT YOU USED YET-TO-BE in place of wanna-be. This would have eliminated alot of hurt feelings.
    also spell checked for RWS
    Ummm, it seems a "decade" is about right Or so I read in another equally charming post.
  4. by   ortess1971
    The idealistic posts don't bother me...because I guess I don't worry what someone with no experience thinks. I'm a new nurse but have been in the healthcare field for about 5-6 years. In school, I saw classmates that were very righteous and idealistic because they had never worked in the field before. They weren't trying to be nasty, they just had no clue. I would just kind of smile to myself and think "Just wait... " . I think an experienced nurses forum would be fine but I don't agree with banning students completely. Like the moderator said, just ignore the post if it offends you. Forums are meant to be an exchange of viewpoints and you always run the risk that someone isn't going to agree with you.(Some of us got used to that a LONG time ago! ) It's funny, I agree so much with the person who said they get wary if someone says a job is "perfect". I was due to have a bad day at work because things were going so well...I knew the axe had to drop eventually and I'm kind of glad it happened today because now I can stop worrying about it!
  5. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from OB_or_NICU_hopeful
    Ummm, it seems a "decade" is about right Or so I read in another equally charming post.
    Thank you. Just exercising my right to give an opinion, even if it conflicts with a "hopeful nurse to be." What you said is precisely why some of us feel the need to have a forum where we can speak without being judged by those who aren't our peers yet.

    FWIW, if any of you veteran nurses out there feel the need to vent but don't want to deal with potential recriminations from students/newbies/hopefuls, you may always send me a PM. As a fellow vet, I can relate.
  6. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from ortess1971
    The idealistic posts don't bother me...because I guess I don't worry what someone with no experience thinks. I'm a new nurse but have been in the healthcare field for about 5-6 years. In school, I saw classmates that were very righteous and idealistic because they had never worked in the field before. They weren't trying to be nasty, they just had no clue. I would just kind of smile to myself and think "Just wait... " . I think an experienced nurses forum would be fine but I don't agree with banning students completely. Like the moderator said, just ignore the post if it offends you. Forums are meant to be an exchange of viewpoints and you always run the risk that someone isn't going to agree with you.(Some of us got used to that a LONG time ago! ) It's funny, I agree so much with the person who said they get wary if someone says a job is "perfect". I was due to have a bad day at work because things were going so well...I knew the axe had to drop eventually and I'm kind of glad it happened today because now I can stop worrying about it!
    The problem is, if students are allowed to post, they will bash some of the people who are venting. It has happened time and again. I recall a truly horrible thread where an experienced nurse posted why she no longer had the energy to precept (this, after doing so for over 20y). She got creamed by students and newbies. ("How can you be so selfish," "It's your duty to teach new nurses," "If you feel that way you should just get out," etc.)

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: We experienced nurses have been where you new nurses/students are now. You, however, have not been in our shoes. Please bear that in mind.
  7. by   smk1
    Quote from RunningWithScissors
    I still would like to see a forum specifically for PRACTICING RN's, a safe place to vent and bounce things off each other.

    But, as I see already from responses on this thread, students can't seem to follow directions and not post where they're not asked to.

    So, as with everything in nursing, another good idea down the drain due to lack of support. Nothing will ever change in this profession.

    Signing off.
    Probably exactly what you need to do.
    There are so many veteran nurses that post on this board regularly about nursing issues that it can't be that hard to find a thorough discussion about XYZ. If it bothers you so much to wade through posts from people who are not experienced RN's this probably isn't the place for you. Not to mention that a veteran nurse could be an LPN. I have been on these boards for over 3 years when I was "just a prenursing wannabe" I learned a lot about the profession, different aspects of the job and different fields that I had no idea about. I learned from the vets like Tweety, Spacenurse, Sharon, Steph, Smilingblue eyes etc... They have been a vital part of my educational process in my humble opinion. I am now a nursing student and the posts that went completely over my head before are now starting to make sense. I can learn about new ways of doing things and rationales for treatments. I can get ideas on how to handle office politics. What makes the site fun, informative and a great place to post is that many people are welcomed here and because of that freely post and keep the site alive and kicking. Creating exclusive forums may seem like a good idea, but a lot of useful dialog and conversation can be missed. I would hate to think that students have no place in discussing general nursing concerns. Afterall that is what we live andbreath day in day out for 3-4 years. We might not have the experience and we may live in an ivory tower while in school, but so did you and every other nurse that is on this board. That is the process that you have to go through to get the license. Why not use your generous experience and education to teach the students instead of complaining about their "grammar" ( I corrected your spelling by the way because that seems to be a major cause of panic for you). In other words lighten up!
  8. by   humglum
    Quote from caroladybelle
    No one wants to "shut out" new generations of nurses. But occasionally, we would like a moment's piece when we don't have to put on the "Let's protect everyone from all bad feelings, unprofessional thoughts and utterances" face that stuffs all the true, good, bad, and often ugly inside....and eventially leads us to self destruct if we do not discuss. Especially if your SO is tired of hearing it.

    Do I feel an obligation to "progress" nursing? Not if it requires perpetually putting on a fake angelic smile, and acting like everything is absolutely perfect. There are days, when it is doing everything I can TO GET THROUGH THE DAY with professional demeanor, without having to "progress nursing".

    There is a point when we have to kick away the large amount of unusable things they discussed as theory in school and start dealing with reality.

    It isn't about students being unworthy - it is about being able to discuss real things, without seeing the "Oh, this scaring me", "Oh, that's so mean", "Oh, my. you did it wrong....in class the other day ....". Or the "I think that the BSN should be mandatory because my instructor says.." from someone who hasn't cared for a patient on his/her own yet.

    (PS. Could someone PLEASE send a memo to every instructor of every NS in the USA. Include a threat for them to beaten to death by used C-Diff bedpans if they EVER assign another student to do a paper on RN/BSN/ADN and suggest them to use nursing BB internet sources to do it with)

    And as far as "snooty attitudes", "Rolling eyes", and "tattling", students/new grads do quite a bit of that to older nurses also.
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    To the OP:

    Some of us go to less moderated forums, where some such discussion is considered acceptable. Of course, some people find such BBs difficult, because they only want "their" opinion uncensored, but have trouble dealing everyone else's uncensored opinions..

    Or there are BBs that may be more geared to experienced nurses that may be a comfortable. option.
    Excellent points, as usual. Are there any BBs you would recommend (aside from the one we have both frequented)? I have a blog on livejournal and belong to a few nursing communities there but they aren't terribly active.
    I'd also be more interested in communicating with practicing nurses than with students completing homework assignments.
  9. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from SMK1
    Probably exactly what you need to do.
    There are so many veteran nurses that post on this board regularly about nursing issues that it can't be that hard to find a thorough discussion about XYZ. If it bothers you so much to wade through posts from people who are not experienced RN's this probably isn't the place for you. Not to mention that a veteran nurse could be an LPN. I have been on these boards for over 3 years when I was "just a prenursing wannabe" I learned a lot about the profession, different aspects of the job and different fields that I had no idea about. I learned from the vets like Tweety, Spacenurse, Sharon, Steph, Smilingblue eyes etc... They have been a vital part of my educational process in my humble opinion. I am now a nursing student and the posts that went completely over my head before are now starting to make sense. I can learn about new ways of doing things and rationales for treatments. I can get ideas on how to handle office politics. What makes the site fun, informative and a great place to post is that many people are welcomed here and because of that freely post and keep the site alive and kicking. Creating exclusive forums may seem like a good idea, but a lot of useful dialog and conversation can be missed. I would hate to think that students have no place in discussing general nursing concerns. Afterall that is what we live andbreath day in day out for 3-4 years. We might not have the experience and we may live in an ivory tower while in school, but so did you and every other nurse that is on this board. That is the process that you have to go through to get the license. Why not use your generous experience and education to teach the students instead of complaining about their "grammar" ( I corrected your spelling by the way because that seems to be a major cause of panic for you). In other words lighten up!
    There are plenty of forums for students to learn from or participate in. We are talking about one forum...not much different from the forums for Phillipine nurses, Native American nurses, etc. We're not talking about general nursing. We're talking about problems/concerns unique to those who have been in nursing for several years.

    And your finger-wagging and lecturing is exactly what those of us who think a separate forum is a good idea are trying to avoid...a student who doesn't know what it's like to be in our situation lecturing/taking us to task for expressing how we feel.

    We need the opportunity to vent without lecturing/hectoring. Believe it or not, it's not our job to always be "on-duty" for students, to always have to be in teaching mode. Most of us wouldn't have dreamed of being so demanding/intrusive toward other nurses when we were students. We need some down time too. Just because we may be on an internet forum doesn't mean it's "open season" on experienced nurses, you know.
  10. by   NurseLatteDNP
    I would hate to be on the same unit during my clinicals with the OP. She/He would be probably so annoyed by all the students.
  11. by   barbie90210
    [font=book antiqua]after being an rn for more than 20 years i came upon a site called http://www.aboutmyjob.com. stories are posted about professions and there are many stories from nurses. the comments to those stories are posted on http://www.aboutmytalk.com. these stories are frank and suprising. for more than 20 years i thought that i was the only one who felt this way - at times totally frustrated and overwhelmed. it was only after reading those countless stories that i felt better about myself and no longer felt alone. it was like - my god - others have been enduring this and it isn't just me! when we are working with others we see only the surface but there is no time to talk about it. if you float on a regular basis you don't really develop the intimacy necessary to share these deep feelings. it was an eye opener and has caused me to grow and view the world a lot differently. regardless about how someone feels about venting the fact is that it is part of another person's experience and should be treated as such. it should not be judged or criticized. that's why people are afraid to talk about how they feel. the reason that some people do not want others to honestly say how they feel can be varied. one is that they are responsible for recruiting others into a profession that has lost many and continuing to lose more. others do not practice at the bedside - and there is a reason for that (more than the "it works better with my schedule" - believe me). others are students who have time and money invested. however, when you become a nurse you will still have time and money invested, you then create a lifestyle based on a certain income, and possibly discover thorns in the bed of roses. i only wish i had a forum like this to reference before i became a nurse. my perception is that this forum is relatively tame and seems to be saturated with quite a few students and loyal members of the profession. it is a good support system and source of information. however, it seems there is an opportunity for someone to put up another web site that specifically for practicing rn's and lpn's. it could be entitled "the burnout zone". if you do not want to post constructively to someone's post that upsets you i suggest that you don't post at all. arguing on these sites is a waste of time and that emotional energy can be better invested elsewhere. again, i see nothing wrong one part of allnurses that is specifically for experienced (i believe she means practicing) rn's and lpn's. students and others should not be prohibited from reading it and perhaps it would be a good thing. :heartbeat
  12. by   PANurseRN1
    Agreed. It could be similar to how the Premium Forums work; if you're not a premium member, you may read but not post. I don't mean that you should have to be a premium member to post on a forum for exp. nurses, but it should be only experienced nurses (RN & LPN) who may post.
  13. by   NRSKarenRN
    How can the Admin/Mod staff really know if you are a LPN or RN when you sign up here unless providing us with your license number....then there is the need for someone to verify information....reverify active license status etc.... How about retired nurses without active license. These are issues we face when trying to "limit" discussion to LPN/RN.

    What purpose is an "experienced" nurses forum to hold that cannot be accomplished on the other 200 forums we have???.....

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