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Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires

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TheCommuter has 10 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.

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The management at my place of employment recently hired a group of nurses who are all youngish, slim, and physically attractive as a response to declining patient satisfaction scores. Is the solution working? We can only wait and see. You are reading page 4 of Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

Jenni811 has 3 years experience as a RN and specializes in Intermediate care.

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Jenni811 hit the nail on the head, it's about $$$. Shockingly, inexperienced nurses (those with 1-3 years of experience) are cheaper to hire than an experienced nurse. Additionally, those coming out of nursing school are typically young and attractive as 22 to 25 year old females are apt to be. What I'll also say is that as a male I never had to deal with the garbage that the more... experienced... nurses dealt out to these new grads. That isn't to say I didn't hear about it, probably since I wasn't viewed as any type of threat to the pecking order. I even had one nurse tell me that the nurse manager was purposefully hiring attractive people to work the floor. That made me chuckle a little bit. What I'd suggest is to get over it. NOTHING good will come from being so superficial. Is it their fault that they're attractive? No. Is it their fault that they are young? No. Are you liable to let your jealousy over SUPERFICIAL things ruin some potential relationships? Yes. If you see that they are not acclimating the the job/culture (ie cell phone use while patients need something) let them know. I'll say though that you may need an attitude adjustment just as much as these new nurses because your feelings will translate in to actions in how you treat/interact with them... and then we'll get to read new posts about how we continue to eat our young.

THANK YOU!!! seeing my point. It isn't the nurses "looks" its about the money. Im surprised for all the "experience" you people have you don't see that all hospitals care about is $$$$$. get to know these new people and see beyond their looks.

Just because someone is young/beauitful does not mean they don't have brains or that they can't offer the company something. You can be beautiful and smart at the same time believe it or not.

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Jenni811, you mentioned that you are 24. Everything is much simpler when you are 24.

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Increased age does NOT automatically result in expertise. I have encountered way too many 'experienced' nurses that are barely squeeking by (competence-wise).

So for those barely competent nurses, who squeaked by for so long, check them! Management should have their pick of the litter, so to speak. So replace them with someone who is more of an expert in their field. In my area, there are thousands of applications each month for dozens of open positions.

I'm all about survival of the fittest (fittest=intelligent, competent)! But we need to let go of all preconceived notions about who that may be.

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OP, so where are all the 24-year-olds supposed to go? They successfully completed school and passed nursing boards. They are the future and deserve a chance. As others noted, young(er) nurses are generally thinner, more attractive, and more enthusiastic than older nurses. And, for the most part, they are eager to learn.

They are not new grads straight out of school, right? They are arriving from a former nursing job so that means your facility checked their references, etc.

Bedside nursing can take a heavy toll over the years in terms of our looks, mobility, people skills and attitude.

Also, I don't think it's so much a function of being young and cute. The patient and/or family expects and appreciates a competent, knowledgeable, respectful, well-groomed nurse.

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nursel56 has 25+ years experience and specializes in peds//ambulatory care/HH-private duty.

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At least nobody has said "you're just jealous of us"* yet, have they? (kidding!) I really admire the way you take on controversial subjects Commuter, I thought it was fair. Just want to throw in a related item from a while back.

It's a new video nurse hiring agency! "FaceRecruiters" -well at least they don't beat around the bush with the title. Anyway it landed with a resounding thud here amongst the population. Here are a couple of the "sample profiles"

FaceRecruiters.jpg

the AN thread - FaceRecruiters...New Innovative Way to Find a Job

*I was wrong somebody did say it.

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revise and extend my previous remarks

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Esme12 is a ASN, BSN, RN and specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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Well......this has turned into quite the discussion.

Here's what I think.

I know that once I was 24 years old......bright, energetic, ambitious, intelligent. But I am KIND, patient and respectful. I got laid off at age 49 to find that I could not find a job. I think that being told that after 34 years at the bedside that I was over qualified for positions, not a good fit for the position, not quite what they were looking for....blah, blah, blah.....while all acceptable excuses .....where just that excuses. I was put to pasture so I can't mentor the new nurses coming along...pass on what I know so that the next generation can nurture the next.

It is my belief that is what has lead us to here......bickering back and forth...sniping at one another. Disrespectful and mean spirited. Intolerant to suggestions or change....depending on ones point of view. Young and old alike. experienced and inexperienced.

After 34 years of bedside experience (I stayed there because I love my patients, I always have) in a critical care setting and the emergency room to be told I wasn't qualified for a home based phone triage job is absolute crap. But what can one do? Can you prove it was because of my age? Start your cover letter with.....I'm 50 and I'm desperate....I'll take a pay cut.....somehow sounds pitiful. Sigh......It is what it is. So AN allows me to grace her pages where I spend my time mentoring and teaching those coming into this world because it means I'm trying my small little part to save what I love.....nursing.

I think that those who are 24 years old now will be 50 years old someday and will be right where I am now.....how acceptable will it be then when you are still paying student loans with 2 kids in college to be put to pasture....well..... just because you can't possibly be good enough any more to be at the bedside.....I mean really, you'll be 50 years old right? No where near as good as the new nurse with 2 years experience and hundreds of codes under their belt .....I mean they have multiple certifications...right?

Remember whoever you step on on the way up you will meet on the way down. Karma is some serious energy. YOU will reap what you sow.

While the new grads can't find jobs because there is no one to mentor them. How many time have I heard that there is no mentoring opportunities, that new grads are drowning and over whelmed, that they aren't being mentored...it's because we, the old bats out to pasture, are not there. I am forever in gratitude to all those experienced nurse who nurtured me and taught me.....who turned me into a real nurse from a brash, really smart, snot nosed 18 year old with more "knowledge" than common sense.....more energy and guts, than patience and caution.

What I believe is that one can be bright and beautiful at 24......for that was me. What I knew at 24 is nothing in comparison to what I know now. While I respect every single 24 year old.....there is NO WAY possible for the nurse to be anywhere near as experienced as I, regardless of their hundreds of certifications, in my field of expertise....critical care, emergency medicine, trauma flight. In my 34 years of nursing I can't count the number of codes that I have responded to and participated in.....but even I know that there is always something to learn that can better me as a nurse for my patients. Humility and patience.

I don'/t think commuter was commenting on young nurses....but the motivation behind her employer in the hiring of these nurses. Did this employer look specifically for young pretty intelligent nurses to be an asset to the staff and the patient in a more positive outcome? Or to fulfill some quota or idea that this will lead to better scores to that they have a pretty package but lack content.

I think it is the latter.

All these issues....ADN, BSN, MSN,NP, DNP.....I am not against furthering the education level of nursing. I am against the disrespect of fellow nurses that have the bedside chops to nurse with the degree into a corner. I am against the ADN nurses busting the chops of the BSN for lack of experience.....ALL NEW GRADS HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.

I think we need to listen to each other and be kind to each other......join together in one voice for in one voice we could be quite loud and affect change.

I think we need to be respectful of each other and each other opinion and if we disagree we show our education and emotional maturity but being polite.

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Esme12 is a ASN, BSN, RN and specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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At least nobody has said "you're just jealous of us" yet, have they? (kidding!) I really admire the way you take on controversial subjects Commuter, I thought it was fair. Just want to throw in a related item from a while back.

It's a new video nurse hiring agency! "FaceRecruiters" -well at least they don't beat around the bush with the title. Anyway it landed with a resounding thud here amongst the population. Here are a couple of the "sample profiles"

FaceRecruiters.jpg

the AN thread - FaceRecruiters...New Innovative Way to Find a Job

All I ahve to say is......wow....I am worried......you can look however you wish if you are clean and smart.

I once again sit here shaking my head.

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Esme12 I don't see alot of bickering. To me it's healthy debate within AN's rules. I've enjoyed reading every comment on this post and I've learned a few things. The OP didn't refer to new grads; she specifically stated that her facility won't hire new grads because of the cost to orient them.

I believe that, once we show up for work, wherever that may be, we all have The Patient's welfare premium and prominent. Who has time for differences of opinion once we're on the floor?

That's why this site (AN) is so beautiful. It allows us to be united even when we disagree.

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Esme12 is a ASN, BSN, RN and specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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Esme12 I don't see alot of bickering. To me it's healthy debate within AN's rules. I've enjoyed reading every comment on this post and I've learned a few things. The OP didn't refer to new grads; she specifically stated that her facility won't hire new grads because of the cost to orient them.

I believe that, once we show up for work, wherever that may be, we all have The Patient's welfare premium and prominent. Who has time for differences of opinion once we're on the floor?

That's why this site (AN) is so beautiful. It allows us to be united even when we disagree.

I couldn't agree more........my reference to "bickering" was a general statement and not one pointed to this thread.

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mc3 has 12 years experience as a ASN, RN.

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You hit the nail right on the head, as usual, Commuter! I always enjoy reading your articles :)

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I think we need to listen to each other and be kind to each other......join together in one voice for in one voice we could be quite loud and affect change.

Whoa, Esme.

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mc3 has 12 years experience as a ASN, RN.

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Heck yes it sounds ignorant. But my point of making it sound ignorant was beause the OP sounded just as ignorant as i did degrading young/new nurses. So how come an older more experienced nurse can sound ignorant but i can't? should i light the fire and say "we shouldn't hire over weight nurses?" how is that any different than saying we need to stop hiring young/new/cute nurses because that is what she was implying. So if she can get away with saying that, tahn i can get away with "We need to stop hiring overweight nures" (I certainly do not think that at all im just using an example that really gets to people so they can relate)

I never said those were my only qualifications. codes do not scare me. I have ACLS and have been in lots of codes. We have one telemetry nurse delegated to carry the code pager and i have to code pager from time to time. Times have changed, and all i can say is that from a BUSINESS stand point it is a smart move. Think about it in more simpe terms...you run open a pizza shop you chose between two people:

1) a 50 year old with excellent skills, really good at making pizza. Years of experience, maybe more t than you. The 50 year old is demanding you pay 15/hour.

2) a 24 year old with developing skills. He/she is eager to learn from your already hired employees. They are great with customers. They are ok with miniumum wage.

I know this isn't pizza we're talking about. But i would go with the 24 year old? Is there a little ageism with nursing?? you betcha!! Would hospitals admit it? nope. They are going to think of any excuse other than the nurses age. Yea it will suck when that time comes for me, but it isn't about me.

Yes, but who is the 24 year old going to learn from, when the 50 year old isn't there? Another 24 yr old???

just saying...........

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