I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
Correct, neither has permanent immunity, which is why I disagreed with your claim that vaccination "would not be necessary" for someone who was previously infected.
Which brings up another question I've asked you before but hasn't been answered, when are you saying that the previously infected should be vaccinated, what's the time frame after previous infection?
Particularly with new variants, we do know that previous infection offers more variable, and generally inferior protection compared to vaccination.
I've asked YOU before, show me how many reinfected people are being hospitalized and dying. Still haven't seen anything......
speaking of unanswered questions do you remember the one above in bold? You don't have an answer to that right?
I've never said how long after infection somebody should or should not be vaccinated. That's not for me to decide. I said I could appreciate someone deferring vaccination after infection under certain circumstances.
Your argument is presented in a way that suggests natural immunity isn't good enough. Is that your conclusion and if so, why?
Perhaps you're misunderstanding my position to be completely against vaccination. It isn't.
Correct, neither has permanent immunity, which is why I disagreed with your claim that vaccination "would not be necessary" for someone who was previously infected.
Which brings up another question I've asked you before but hasn't been answered, when are you saying that the previously infected should be vaccinated, what's the time frame after previous infection?
Particularly with new variants, we do know that previous infection offers more variable, and generally inferior protection compared to vaccination.
I am fully vaccinated have have been an outspoken advocate for all the childhood disease vaccines. I do find it strange that this covid vaccine is being pushed so hard. Why this one? Why not any of the others? The childhood diseases are much worse than covid and there is several. Also, never in my life did I think I would come across a situation as a nurse that someone might not have the right to refuse to be injected with a drug. Or be congratulated because I got injected with a medication.
When I got my covid shot, the nurse congratulated me. Now I think she was just being positive but I found it very odd. I would never say congratulations to a patient after I give them s med.
I don't think there's any conspiracy, I think everyone needs to get vaxed, however there is some oddities with this that makes me a bit uncomfortable.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
40 minutes ago, Cclm said:
I do find it strange that this covid vaccine is being pushed so hard. Why this one? Why not any of the others?
Maybe the urgency is related to the global suffering and death from the novel coronavirus? Do you think that having a half million Americans die from a contagion in 12 months while the economy struggles is a motivator to develop and promote a vaccine or two? Were you alive when the country was busily trying to archive herd immunity to polio...sounds like maybe not.
40 minutes ago, Cclm said:
Also, never in my life did I think I would come across a situation as a nurse that someone might not have the right to refuse to be injected with a drug.
You haven't come across that situation yet either. Everyone has the right to accept or refuse vaccination. Experiencing a consequence to a choice is evidence that a choice was made.
40 minutes ago, Cclm said:
however there is some oddities with this that makes me a bit uncomfortable.
It sounds like someone like Tucker Carlson is creating a narrative of doubt and you are finding a home in that thinking. You are seeing oddity where there isn't really oddity. Vague distrust, suspicion and concern is the fodder of propagandists.
Maybe the urgency is related to the global suffering and death from the novel coronavirus? Do you think that having a half million Americans die from a contagion in 12 months while the economy struggles is a motivator to develop and promote a vaccine or two? We're you alive when the country was busily trying to archive herd immunity to polio...sounds like maybe not.
You haven't come across that situation yet either. Everyone has the right to accept or refuse vaccination. Experiencing a consequence to a choice is evidence that a choice was made.
It sounds like someone like Tucker Carlson is creating a narrative of doubt and you are finding a home in that thinking. You are seeing oddity where there isn't really oddity. Vague distrust, suspicion and concern is the fodder of propagandists.
Honestly. If you think you are somehow helping to increase vaccination you are not. There is nothing in what I wrote to suggest that I do not understand the seriousness of the pandemic. And of course you try and degrade my post by assigning me to watching "Tucker Carlson". Good job at not bringing up Trump and the GOP!! I'm convinced you just copy paste stock paragraphs and submit the same things over and over.
I'm seeing what allot of people are seeing. Perhaps if these suspicion and concerns were addressed respectfully and empathetically, there would be less hesitancy. And more vaccinated!
Vaccination exemption affidavits are available for nurses who decline some or all vaccinations, or opt for homeopathic protection.
What do you mean by homeopathic protection? I’m confused.
Homeopathic ”drugs” are biochemically inert. They are so diluted that it’s just water. You can’t treat any condition or disease with them. They have no plausible mechanism of action or effect beyond placebo. Or perhaps you weren’t really referring to homeopathic ”drugs”? Did you mean that the unvaccinated try to treat ”like with like” by getting a Covid-19 infection instead of a vaccine? If that’s what you meant, getting protection with the help of a vaccine is much safer than trying to get natural immunity through an infection.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
11 minutes ago, Cclm said:
Honestly. If you think you are somehow helping to increase vaccination you are not. There is nothing in what I wrote to suggest that I do not understand the seriousness of the pandemic. And of course you try and degrade my post by assigning me to watching "Tucker Carlson". Good job at not bringing up Trump and the GOP!! I'm convinced you just copy paste stock paragraphs and submit the same things over and over.
I'm seeing what allot of people are seeing. Perhaps if these suspicion and concerns were addressed respectfully and empathetically, there would be less hesitancy. And more vaccinated!
Helping?
You expressed thoughts and doubts and opinions and I answered them. Yeah...you don't seem to understand why these vaccine are pushed right now instead of the polio vaccine (for instance)...you said so in your remark.
You expressed the same sort of doubt that Carlson is pushing...his commentary isn't a hidden mystery and he isn't alone in right wing programing in efforts to generate doubt and highlight individual "freedoms" over civic or patriotic duty.
There was nothing rude or disrespectful about my response to your concerns and questions.
I am fully vaccinated have have been an outspoken advocate for all the childhood disease vaccines. I do find it strange that this covid vaccine is being pushed so hard. Why this one? Why not any of the others? The childhood diseases are much worse than covid and there is several.
Like TMB said, the world is in the middle of the worst pandemic any of us have lived through in our lifetimes. (I’m assuming there are not a lot of 103 year olds reading AN).
If you think about it, have you as a nurse prior to this pandemic ever experienced epidemics that necessitated hospitals having refrigerated trucks and trailers parked outside because they ran out of space in their morgues? If any of the childhood diseases or some other infectious disease had caused the same amount of strain on healthcare systems and affected the world economy as Covid has, I think you would have seen vaccines for those disesases being ”pushed” equally hard. So really, it’s not strange that we hear a lot about the Covid vaccines and the importance of getting vaccinated.
48 minutes ago, Cclm said:
When I got my covid shot, the nurse congratulated me. Now I think she was just being positive but I found it very odd. I would never say congratulations to a patient after I give them s med.
I suspect that the majority of healthcare workers who have been involved in Covid care were joyous and immensely relieved when safe and effective vaccines became available. I think a lot of people were, not just healthcare professionals. I suspect that is why the nurse congratulated you. S/he probably assumed that you shared the feeling of relief that we’re seeing light at the end of the tunnel.
I do find it strange that this covid vaccine is being pushed so hard. Why this one?
Which one are you talking about? There are 176 covid vaccines available or in trials across the world. AFAIK every country in the world is promoting vaccinating against covid and countries are using many different vaccines.
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I've asked YOU before, show me how many reinfected people are being hospitalized and dying. Still haven't seen anything......
speaking of unanswered questions do you remember the one above in bold? You don't have an answer to that right?
I've never said how long after infection somebody should or should not be vaccinated. That's not for me to decide. I said I could appreciate someone deferring vaccination after infection under certain circumstances.
Your argument is presented in a way that suggests natural immunity isn't good enough. Is that your conclusion and if so, why?
Perhaps you're misunderstanding my position to be completely against vaccination. It isn't.