I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
But I asked YOU for a better argument! What part of Y-O-U did you not understand the meaning of?
1.We did this in the US
We have tried this a heck-of-a- time. Can you give me the next strategy to follow after education, empathy, understanding?
BTW we (the US) are not too " lazy and codependent "
we have HAD the patience or skill to isolate and effectively encouraged voluntary vaccination until 2021 and we give all the facts despite people finding imaginary reasons not to vaccinate,
I believe in vaccination..not quarantining. Where were you in 2020? Yeh, quarantine worked didn't it?, Really, where were you?
Y-O-U asked me for a better COUNTER argument after I criticized your counter argument. Be clear on what you ask for.
What we did was be in denial about the virus when it came out, reserve testing for the symptomatic only, just to tell them to go home and hydrate, all the while asymptomatic people are out spreading the virus unknowingly. We had Fauci tell us not to get masks....hen oops OK now wear them!
We don't give all the facts a far as educating. That's a lie. Notice how limited reporting is on the rarity of reinfection, and how few of the reinfected are hospitalized.
Media, took extreme versions of reporting on either end. CNN shows only everybody dying and on vents. FOX finds everyone possible to argue the opposite. Political candidates use it as a tool to get reactions and attention. No balanced delivery of information.
When I say isolate I mean EVERYONE. Symptomatic or not, infected or not. We are too lazy and dependent on others to do that. Of we could do that you don't think it would work?
I was out in the field treating sick people Like I assume you were. Didn't go to large gatherings, couldn't even go to the gym. There wasn't a vaccine until late 2020. Hello.
It sure isn't yet so many people insist on this approach, providers included. Being pushy and insensitive makes candidates less trusting and fearful. Then somebody who may benefit from the vaccine won't take it. That's counterproductive.
I've argued that here for a while yet people insist on catering to their frustrations and intolerance more than doing what would get results.
Condescending and lecturing don't work well. It tends to turn people off to what you're trying to educate them about. Better to try and meet them where they are, which requires learning more about their thought process and belief system. Have to establish trust.
Condescending and lecturing don't work well. It tends to turn people off to what you're trying to educate them about. Better to try and meet them where they are, which requires learning more about their thought process and belief system. Have to establish trust.
Thank you! Honestly I see people using COVID as an excuse to talk crap about people and feel empowered because they went along with the status quo. Many of them post here.
If someone was genuinely motivated to encourage vaccination, especially nurses of all people, they wouldn't succumb to their own frustrations, judgements,and biases rather focusing on what works.
Thank you! Honestly I see people using COVID as an excuse to talk crap about people and feel empowered because they went along with the status quo. Many of them post here.
If someone was genuinely motivated to encourage vaccination, especially nurses of all people, they wouldn't succumb to their own frustrations, judgements,and biases rather focusing on what works.
Talking **** isn't working
Trauma. Acute stress reactions. This same type of behavior was predictable and seen in pretty much all of us towards the end of our rotations during deployment, if not sooner in others. I keep saying, our healthcare forces are suffering seriously. Our society is, as well, from the occult effects of living through a pandemic. Anger is a common response. Guilt for surviving when so many others have not. Fear. Insomnia. Resentment. Mistrust. As frustrating as it is trying to survive the pandemic and work towards the goal of reaching some sort of 'normalcy' again, we all need compassion and empathy for each other. There are wounds that are going to take a long time to heal.
Amusingly, my avatar fits my posting well, I think. ?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
8 hours ago, jive turkey said:
Thank you! Honestly I see people using COVID as an excuse to talk crap about people and feel empowered because they went along with the status quo. Many of them post here.
If someone was genuinely motivated to encourage vaccination, especially nurses of all people, they wouldn't succumb to their own frustrations, judgements,and biases rather focusing on what works.
Talking **** isn't working
Yeah. Talking crap about us isn't working. You should try a different strategy.
Specializes in Clinical ICU/Hospital Administration.
I've actually erased about 100 email notifications from allnurses on this topic stream because I don't even have one more scintilla of patience.
I am a 62 yo retired ICU nurse. I had to leave practice at the age of 50 because of neuropathy that had me walking with a walker for 3 years. If there was a neuropathy vaccine, I'd still be on the job.
Having said that, while I was standing on line at my pharmacy in late Sept last fall, there were a bunch of people ahead of me in line. All I wanted to do was re-fill my pantoprazole script. There were posters everywhere about new vaccines, including NOW'S THE TIME FOR YOUR FIRST FLU SHOT! (ME<- "first?" So it was my turn, got my script and went into a private "shot" booth to get my flu shot. Had the complete attention of a pharmacist for the whole time. Me <- "hey, what vaccines should I get/am eligible for?
Oct 1, 2020 MMR #1 RUA, Influenza, LUA
Nov 1, 2020 MMR #2 LUA, Shingella #1, RUA
Dec 1, 2020 TDAP LUA
Jan 7, 2021 Shingella #2 LUA Flu #2 RUA
COVID #1 April 15......COVID #2 May 15, 2021
All I can say to the anti-vaxxers. If you're argument is fear for what one single vaccine might do to your body, here I am as testimony that:
I'm 62! I'm still alive and breathing after 9 vaccines in 8 months! I can still walk and talk and wish you well in your future present and afterlife. Kype
PS. How did you manage to avoid nursing school without getting a vaccine of one sort or another?
I've actually erased about 100 email notifications from allnurses on this topic stream because I don't even have one more scintilla of patience.
I am a 62 yo retired ICU nurse. I had to leave practice at the age of 50 because of neuropathy that had me walking with a walker for 3 years. If there was a neuropathy vaccine, I'd still be on the job.
Having said that, while I was standing on line at my pharmacy in late Sept last fall, there were a bunch of people ahead of me in line. All I wanted to do was re-fill my pantoprazole script. There were posters everywhere about new vaccines, including NOW'S THE TIME FOR YOUR FIRST FLU SHOT! (ME<- "first?" So it was my turn, got my script and went into a private "shot" booth to get my flu shot. Had the complete attention of a pharmacist for the whole time. Me <- "hey, what vaccines should I get/am eligible for?
Oct 1, 2020 MMR #1 RUA, Influenza, LUA
Nov 1, 2020 MMR #2 LUA, Shingella #1, RUA
Dec 1, 2020 TDAP LUA
Jan 7, 2021 Shingella #2 LUA Flu #2 RUA
COVID #1 April 15......COVID #2 May 15, 2021
All I can say to the anti-vaxxers. If you're argument is fear for what one single vaccine might do to your body, here I am as testimony that:
I'm 62! I'm still alive and breathing after 9 vaccines in 8 months! I can still walk and talk and wish you well in your future present and afterlife. Kype
PS. How did you manage to avoid nursing school without getting a vaccine of one sort or another?
Just for clarification, who do you consider to be an anti vaxxer"
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They don't see any problems with these politicians who become millionaires. That should never happened.