Wow embarrassed and really ticked off...

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Sorry just need to vent.

Since school started in August I have been in contact with our Dept of Ed. to get a program to come to our school that promotes physical education and getting children up and moving in the classroom. It has been very stressful trying to get everything in order for them to come and it is a BIG DEAL. Schools are on a waiting list to get them to come and do a live show. Anyway the whole point is to show teachers how to integrate the 5 min videos into their classrooms to get children to move around and let some energy out. They have a presenter that is a coach and he leads the students in short 5 min videos to exercise.

My 1st and 2nd grade teachers dropped their kids off in the gym and went back for their "planning period". The speaker was there to talk to them just as much as the kids. So I asked the principal to call the teachers to the gym which she did and after the speaker raved and thanked teachers for all they do they got up right in the middle of it and left! They stayed barely 3 minutes. I was mortified. Some of them even expressing how they didnt have time for this and this was their planning period. Needless to say I was HOT! I understand that was your planning period but one day isnt going to kill anyone and what an example you set for your students that someone trying to teach them to be healthy and how to do better in school isnt worth the time. Do I get a planning period? Do I get to eat my lunch most days without interruption? NO! And on top of it this presenter was at our other local schools and all the teachers were raving about it. So of course my school has to be rude.

This program when implemented daily in the classroom has been shown to aid in higher test scores, better focusing, less test anxiety, and a drastic decrease in behavior problems. So it was worth the 30 min to be present. And some of the teachers couldnt even do the little movements with their students and just sat there. Which is a whole other rant so I wont even start.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.
I think that we all agree with what you're saying. We know how important "buy-in" is. The frustration lies in the fact that the teachers could not care less about our, the nurse's time. We generally do not get a planning period, we rarely get lunch, and most days I don't even get to pee until after 2:30. With all of that in mind, a teacher has no problem (this happened last week, btw) KNOCKING ON THE RESTROOM DOOR to tell me so and so needed HER EARRING PUT IN!!! They interrupt our lunches daily, complain about screenings, moan about treatments inconveniencing them, send droves of kids for issues that are in no way nursing related, get mad when kids don't get sent home, get mad when you send a kid home, blame you when you "miss" an injury that wasn't sent to you, and just generally wear you down day after day. But GDI, don't ever mess with their planning period:rolleyes: A lot of work when into OPs program and I doubt that the teachers were uninformed.

Those things are definitely worth complaining about. Teachers SHOULD respect the nurse's role. Both professions should respect the other.

Specializes in ER.
I think that we all agree with what you're saying. We know how important "buy-in" is. The frustration lies in the fact that the teachers could not care less about our, the nurse's time. We generally do not get a planning period, we rarely get lunch, and most days I don't even get to pee until after 2:30. With all of that in mind, a teacher has no problem (this happened last week, btw) KNOCKING ON THE RESTROOM DOOR to tell me so and so needed HER EARRING PUT IN!!! They interrupt our lunches daily, complain about screenings, moan about treatments inconveniencing them, send droves of kids for issues that are in no way nursing related, get mad when kids don't get sent home, get mad when you send a kid home, blame you when you "miss" an injury that wasn't sent to you, and just generally wear you down day after day. But GDI, don't ever mess with their planning period:rolleyes: A lot of work when into OPs program and I doubt that the teachers were uninformed.

I see a lot of posts like this on the school nurse forum. You teach people how to treat you. Clearly lunchtime for the rest of the school isn't the best time for the nurse to take a break, but you are entitled to one. Let people know you are on a break, put up a sign, and take one. Kids can sit and wait for thirty minutes, or the teacher can call 911. Clear your plan with your administration, but you are entitled to a break.

I strongly feel that just because you allow others to infringe on your time, doesn't mean that everyone else should roll over as well. The teachers have negotiated that time, and they are standing their ground. Good for them.

Specializes in NICU.

Funny how you a nurse mention the work of engaging adult learners..my hospital was always planning or forcing us to attend stuff without even a clue as to time,availability,or interest in the subject.Very stressful to be forced to leave a busy floor and hard for those covering your patients too and for what..some nonsense administration dreamed up.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.
Funny how you a nurse mention the work of engaging adult learners..my hospital was always planning or forcing us to attend stuff without even a clue as to time,availability,or interest in the subject.Very stressful to be forced to leave a busy floor and hard for those covering your patients too and for what..some nonsense administration dreamed up.

Like Service Excellence, for example?

But teachers will interrupt our lunch (the 3 minute one we have at our desk) if they want the mole they have had for 26 years looked at.................

Do you go ahead and look at the mole (or whatever) or tell them, nicely but unapologetically, that you are eating and they can come back at _____?

Are you even expected to deal with non-emergent staff concerns?

I think that we all agree with what you're saying. We know how important "buy-in" is. The frustration lies in the fact that the teachers could not care less about our, the nurse's time. We generally do not get a planning period, we rarely get lunch, and most days I don't even get to pee until after 2:30. With all of that in mind, a teacher has no problem (this happened last week, btw) KNOCKING ON THE RESTROOM DOOR to tell me so and so needed HER EARRING PUT IN!!! They interrupt our lunches daily, complain about screenings, moan about treatments inconveniencing them, send droves of kids for issues that are in no way nursing related, get mad when kids don't get sent home, get mad when you send a kid home, blame you when you "miss" an injury that wasn't sent to you, and just generally wear you down day after day. But GDI, don't ever mess with their planning period:rolleyes: A lot of work when into OPs program and I doubt that the teachers were uninformed.

I hope you let the teacher know that you were in the potty, for God's sake, and that there was no emergency that required her to bang on door. If you didn't teach her that she had done wrong, don't be upset if she does it again.

If you want an uninterrupted lunch, if you want a few minutes to care for your bodily needs, why not close the Infirmary and hang a sign out saying you will be back at _____.

Get agreement from your Principal and your Supervisor to do this first, but stand up for yourself, for crying out loud.

What is so very pressing that you have to hold your bladder for 6 or so hours? If you're not doing CPR, pressing on a pumper, or you hear the kid wheezing a mile away - go pee.

Specializes in ICU.

WOW, have times changed. When I was in school, years ago, we were paddled if we got out of our desk, for any reason!

Specializes in school nurse.

Was this program related to BOKS, by chance? (Building Our Kid's Success, sponsored by a non-profit arm of Reebok.) That program, if formally implemented, is a before and/or after school program designed to be run by school volunteers, usually parents. My school let me go to the training with our PE teacher- training was free.

Of course, with extended days and so many parents working outside the home, it can be difficult to get going. I actually did some of the elements of the class during the school day, in the classrooms. I focused on the K, 1, and 2. It involved an IPod, a Bose speaker, a change of clothes (workout) for me, and some interesting and fun times with the littles. The teachers were in the room during it, but it was sort of a break for them too. The carry over was via

Go Noodle, which they would use at other points of the day/week in class as well.

I come from a family of teachers and I've been very involved with my son's education for the 13 years. I've discovered that prep period is sacrosanct. It occupies a position particular to education and is jealously guarded. Every contract negotiation our school system has had since my son started school has had some kind of conflict around prep period. If a program such as this occurred during prep in our school district, I promise not one teacher would show up (and would be fully supported in this by the union.)

I've tried to have conversations about this with family members and others, but they just don't get it. I've explained that in any other job, your prep period is the 45 minutes BEFORE you're on the clock. The idea is just so deeply ingrained that it's inconceivable they should have to give up even one. Bear in mind that many of these people have never had any other kind of job so they don't know what the non-academic world is like. I'm not bashing teachers. We've had some that have been Godsends for my son and our family. I don't know where he or we would be without them. As stated above, it's this one thing that's nonnegotiable. For future, maybe try to roll the programs into the curriculum? Like for one day's science class...then the teacher wouldn't be giving up "their" (perceived) time.

Go ahead and "dislike" this comment but I have worked with teachers for 5+ years...some of them (not all) can be quite selfish and territorial. You will have more luck asking them to stay after school (they hate this) than asking them to give up their planning period.

To those who posted that SNs should be self-advocating for their break time, you are absolutely correct! Many of us have done that and spoken up.

It has been my experience that things may change for a couple weeks and then it's phone calls to the break room "Oh, I'm so sorry! I know you're eating but could you just real quick come and see xyz? I promise I won't interrupt you again. Take another 5 minutes even!" or the backlash about how mean the nurse is turns into a hostile working environment. We are, for some reason, expected to be saintly and care more for every bump, scrape, and cough more than our lunch, break, or sanity. And if we don't, then why are we even in a caregiver position?? It's infuriating.

If it was just one or two of us SNs, maybe it could be chalked up to that particular nurse not asserting him/herself enough. But it's shown in this board to be pretty universal.

Specializes in ER.

kidzcare;

What stop you from saying "I'll be available at 1:30p, but if he cant wait you can call his parents." I mean, clearly if its ambulance worthy you'd be there to help in a flash, but you have to maintain your boundaries. No one else is going to do it.

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